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I don't understand ... how do you reconcile this with your earlier posts:
> Don't you dare give us orders form afar.
and
> If you can't say "Acharai, After me," please don't tell me what to do or how to do it.
Why is it that world Jewry (and specifically Diaspora Jewry) has a say in Yerushalayim, but should keep its nose out of other business (e.g. expulsion from Gaza,ceding Yehuda and Shomron, ...)?
I don't follow. I specifically remember complaining when the OU decided not to try to stop Disengagement etc. Joint us in every way you can to save our people and Land and country. I've encouraged demonstrating against Olmert, Livne etc abroad. I think it would have a good effect.
Since the founding of the state, Israelis have projected to their bretheren in the Diaspora the attitude that "you can support us emotionally and financially, but don't tell us how to run our country unless you're willing to move here and directly feel the consequences of your decisions."
The right-wing and centrist diaspora Jewish groups have largely accepted this credo and avoided commenting on Israeli government policy. The left-wing has not accepted this, and, consequently, they dominate the public discussion of Israel in the US (and, consequently, the US government policy towards Israel).
The bottom line comes down to your understanding of the State:
If it is G-d's inheritance to all Jews, then certainly diaspora Jews have a say in abrogating parts of it to mortal enemies. The land belongs to G-d, at the custodianship of Jews worldwide, and not just Israelis (although the latter suffer most directly from decisions about it).
If, on the other hand, Israel is just another European city, then it is immoral for diaspora Jews to tell Israelis what to dictate terms to a population they choose not to join.
I don't think you got the real message. It's not about Jews not in Israel having influence, it's about the Israeli government not wanting anyone to point out that they have betrayed the ideal of Zionism.
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So which is it?
Which what?
then or now ... which is correct?
Both. You can't leave the fate of our nation in the hands of selfish, amoral politicians.
I don't understand ... how do you reconcile this with your earlier posts:
> Don't you dare give us orders form afar.
and
> If you can't say "Acharai, After me," please don't tell me what to do or how to do it.
Why is it that world Jewry (and specifically Diaspora Jewry) has a say in Yerushalayim, but should keep its nose out of other business (e.g. expulsion from Gaza,ceding Yehuda and Shomron, ...)?
I don't follow.
I specifically remember complaining when the OU decided not to try to stop Disengagement etc.
Joint us in every way you can to save our people and Land and country. I've encouraged demonstrating against Olmert, Livne etc abroad. I think it would have a good effect.
Since the founding of the state, Israelis have projected to their bretheren in the Diaspora the attitude that "you can support us emotionally and financially, but don't tell us how to run our country unless you're willing to move here and directly feel the consequences of your decisions."
The right-wing and centrist diaspora Jewish groups have largely accepted this credo and avoided commenting on Israeli government policy. The left-wing has not accepted this, and, consequently, they dominate the public discussion of Israel in the US (and, consequently, the US government policy towards Israel).
The bottom line comes down to your understanding of the State:
If it is G-d's inheritance to all Jews, then certainly diaspora Jews have a say in abrogating parts of it to mortal enemies. The land belongs to G-d, at the custodianship of Jews worldwide, and not just Israelis (although the latter suffer most directly from decisions about it).
If, on the other hand, Israel is just another European city, then it is immoral for diaspora Jews to tell Israelis what to dictate terms to a population they choose not to join.
I don't think you got the real message. It's not about Jews not in Israel having influence, it's about the Israeli government not wanting anyone to point out that they have betrayed the ideal of Zionism.
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