Thursday, December 4, 2008

If Jews Can't Live In Hebron, Then The Entire Country Is In Danger

First, here's the report from Hebron:

Contrarily to what the media report, the expulsion from Bet HaShalom was very violent and MANY were wounded.
The Special Forces were specifically searching for Daniella Weiss and Nadia Matar to beat them.
Nadia was beaten and was taken to hospital
Reliable sources have informed that the Chevron police are planning to raid the homes of the leaders of the struggle tonight in order to arrest them and send them away from Yesha.

Bet HaShalom was purchased by Jews. Why should that be unrecognized by the Israeli Government? Deja vu, it's like during the British Mandate. The Israeli Government is encouraging our enemies. This is extremely dangerous for the continued existence of the State of Israel.

One of the biggest aims of the Arabs is to get back their former property. And yes, some of the Arabs who fled during the War for Independence did own property in what became the State of Israel. That property was in cities like Jerusalem and Haifa and in the countryside. It was not in Shiloh, Yitzhar, Tekoa and other YESHA communities. From 1948-67 Jews weren't permitted in Shiloh, Yitzhar, Tekoa and other YESHA communities by order of Jordan. Arabs didn't live in those place and weren't interested in living there. Jews couldn't even visit the Kotel, the western wall.

Actually, many Jews lost control of their property in places like the Old City of Jerusalem and Hebron, since the Jordanians wouldn't permit Jews to live there.

To repeat one of my favorite sayings, "You can't be a little bit pregnant." Since the Israeli Government is forcing Jews out of Jewish-owned buildings in Hebron, it's showing our enemies that the government doesn't care about Jewish land ownership. The people of Ramat Aviv should be worried. There was once an Arab village there...


Esser Agaroth said...


Jews in Ramat Aviv need to be worried about something else, too.

When evicted, has wehallilah, we're not going quietly to the Negev. We're coming to Ramat Aviv and to Ra'anana, and Kfar Shmaryahu to live on street corners and in parks, and they're not gonna make us go away this time.

Batya said...

Ya'aqov, brilliant. If the Jews of Ramat Aviv hear that we'd be coming to their neighborhood, they'd probably support our staying in our homes.

Kae Gregory said...

On the heels of Mumbai... The politicians obviously do not want a state that can be identified as "Jewish". Why don't they just change the name of the state to Palestine and have done with it. I mean this in all sincerity, my heart goes out to you in the Golan. I suppose we should all plan to visit the Kotel while we still can. This is just breathtaking in its wrongness.

Batya said...

True, couldn't they let us all have the week to mourn? Chabad was always big in Hebron.
Thanks, though Shiloh isn't in the Golan; it's in the Shomron.

Kae Gregory said...

Sorry - I'm afraid my geography is as rusty as my memory is weak. I visited there twice - more than fifteen years ago. (still classified as West Bank - no?) I hope there is no possibility that they will make you leave.

Batya said...

It's ok. We're still where Shiloh has always been for thousands of years.

Anonymous said...

Threatening to move to Ramat Aviv will not work for two reasons:

1. Ramat Avivians hate Hevron and the Jews who live there far more than they love their own community and neighbors. They'd be willing for their own neighborhoods to be overrun by kippa-wearers if it could mean an end to Jewish settlement in Yesha.

2. Everyone knows it's not a serious threat. The Jewish communities of Yesha depend on a certain amount of isolation, physical and cultural, for educating their children and developing their national and Torah values. These simply can't be done in a place like Ramat Aviv.

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Shauva Tov!
Actually Nobody, they really don't want us in their neighborhoods. After the expulsion from Gush Katif a few journalists from INN's Hebrew speaking staff held an experiment. They posted advertisements in Gush Dan, I think including Ramat Aviv, for blocs of apartments to be rented by expellees. The response was clear, in graffiti and verbally: settlers, stay out!
As for the isolation, more and more people are realizing the importance of not totally isolating ourselves. The number of "gareenim toranim", groups of religious families who move into secular neighborhoods for the purpose of outreach, is increasing. A few weeks ago a neighbor of mine said that if we don't reach out voluntarily and educate concerning the importance of all of the Land of Israel we're going to find ourselves on-the-other-side-of-the-Green-Line involuntarily.
The events of the past four years, including this past week, have indicated that she is correct.
Hadassa DeYoung, K'far Darom/Elon Moreh

Batya said...

nobody, in most cases the "isolation" is passe`. As Hadassa wrote, the Ramat Avivians are more afraid of our influence.

The needs of a small nascent community are different. Also, you'd be amazed at the vast variety of people even in the religious yishuvim.

Esser Agaroth said...


No amount of hasbara or other codependent types of reaching out will help.

Before you were kicked out your home, Ofra sent its residents to Holon, Shilo to Qiriyath Ono, etc.

"Please like us; we're just like you" doesn't work.

We must recognize that the state "religious" education system is nothing less than an indoctrination into State loyalist {as opposed to God and Torah loyalist} society.

Better to show them how "crazy" we are, so they leave us alone. That's what Rav Binyamin Kahane HY"D said.

The problem is not the secular Jews. The problem is the mamlachtim community, the Orlevs, the Smolienskis, etc. who believe that democracy takes precedence over Torah, and that rabbis are only good for kashrus shailos, and that halacha has nothing to do with running a Jewish country.

We need to be targeting these people.

In addition, there ARE some sane rabbis out there, like Rav Yehudah Richter in your town of Elon Moreh.

We need to support them.

Here is my follow-up to my first comment above:

We're Coming...

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Ben-Yehuda, I wasn't referring to short term "panim-el-panim" for the purpose of blocking the next expulsion. I was referring to true Jewish education so that children - and adults - can learn what being Jewish means. It's a long term process, but it's the only way to connect Jews to Israel. The tactic of "we're just like you" was indeed doomed to fail. My friends who went door-to-door on the "panim-el-panim" campaign didn't speak like that. They spoke about history, our rights to the Land, Gush Katif and the northern Shomron being integral parts of Israel etc. They didn't make it a personal struggle for retaining their families' houses. There is no quick fix. But reaching out to the secular public (who are like blank pages), not the extreme left-wing, will be more effective than trying to convince the mamlachtim (pages that have to be erased) of anything.
Rav Yehuda is not by any means the only sane rabbi in the region or even in Elon Moreh.
P.S. For anyone who doesn't get what the pages are, it's a metaphor from Ethics of the Fathers 4:25

Esser Agaroth said...


You and I agree more than I previously thought.

...and Rav Yehudah was only an example.

In terms of Jewish Education, true we must not stop trying.

But first I think we must realize what we're up against,...the Erev Rav, Am HaArtzim, and even rasha'im, and that includes anyone w/o a true connection to the Land, and w/o an understanding the Torah Law takes precedence over Israeli "law."

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Ben-Yedudah, you are absolutely correct. If we do not realize exactly what our goals and challenges are, none of our educating or other work will be worth the time we spend on it, because will we not be addressing the root causes.
Please don't forget that K'far Darom didn't dance with the soldiers (Rav Shreiber described that behavior as sick ("holani") in an interview with BeSheva) and our youth were on the roof of the synagogue with the outside reinforcements.