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Thursday, August 25, 2011

I Get My Strength and Courage From My Jewish Sources

I think that just the title alone should have kept Jews from the Glenn Beck events.  I don't consider it acceptable for Jews to go to Christian spiritual leaders.  I don't need Glenn Beck for courage.

I agree with Moshe Feiglin on this issue:
But another Israeli far-rightist, Moshe Feiglin, has expressed strong reservations, accusing Mr. Beck, a Mormon, of coming to Israel to spread replacement theology.

Several leading rabbis distanced themselves from the rally on Wednesday, and the choir of the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem canceled a scheduled performance.

“This is the throne of the Lord,” Mr. Beck intoned theatrically to a haunting background track that mixed the sounds of rams’ horns, a Jewish funeral prayer and some Islamic incantation. (complete article)

I'm moved to tears by King David's T'hillim Psalms said/sang in the Hallel prayer when I hear it in my local Shiloh synagogue and at other events. I've been studying the Bible, especially the story of King David, his difficulties and great faith in G-d.

Jews, we have our own spiritual leaders. Please search "in the family."


Anonymous said...

“This is the throne of the Lord,” Mr. Beck intoned"

Here's the problem -- He's not referring to the G-d of Israel. He is referring to what's-his-face, whether he comes out and says it or not. We do not worship the same G-d! When he speaks in Israel on a huge stage for all to hear and refers to his "god" everyone should shudder! Jew, when you stand there and nod your head to this condescension and they talk about loving us - we do not need their love - We have the G-d of Israel on our side. Jews should be making a huge production of their love of Hashem..not given tacit approval of idol worship in Jerusalem.

Batya said...

a, you got it. That's it exactly. same words, different meanings.

Shy Guy said...

"And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you."
- Vayikra (Leviticus) 11:7

Batya said...


Anonymous said...

Batya, what is your take on Rav Riskin? I'm not trying to stir things up, but I am truly shocked by the words that have come out of his mouth. And he is the rabbi of Efrat.

Shouldn't our outreach be to other Jews and our learning to increase Torah.

We need absolutely nothing from xians. It is they who need us. This fawning over them makes me sick in my stomach.
Keep up the good work.

Batya said...

a, I've been very disappointed in Rabbi Riskin for a long time. Politically, he was on the fence about Disengagement sounding almost/very Lichtenstein-Meimad. And now for the Christian thing. He's not my rabbi or at least hasn't been for a long time.

sad, he was once the role model for us BT's of the 1960's before anyone even used/knew the term.

Hadassa said...

Batya, I think it's more than that with Rabbi Riskin. He's very much in favor of "co-existence" with the Arabs, isn't he, even after one of them tried to blow himself up in Efrat's grocery store?

YMedad said...

Notice Rabbi Eliezer Melamed there in this video sitting alongside, well, see for yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree with that statement.

Large crowds just whip up false emotion and scares me, that's why I'm not following any of this - I think there's a reason for homosexuality and eating pork both being abominations, I think it's a big hint to people that they must not to be vitriolic against people who are a certain way, not from choice and yet they do the other out of free choice - but that's just me kate b

Anonymous said...

Moshe Feiglin is jealous of Glen Beck because he probably couldn't get a 100 people to come to one of his rallies. Riskin is sad because he panders to Muslims. Welcoming Beck is one of his saner moves. Last I checked GB isn't encouraging the murder of Jews. Feiglin is lying about GB espousing replacement theology. He can't even make a criticism with any veracity. Batya, do you see any hierarchy of evil? Do you think Muslims are more dangerous than Xtians or are they the same? Please enlighten us with your wisdom.

Hadassa said...

I remember how shocked Rav Kaminetzky was when he found out that a picture of him taken with Christian contributers was later used to show that Jews had accepted Christianity. I mentioned him by name because the entire Gush knows the story. I remember another rabbi in Gush Katif who was warned by an American oleh living in his community not to establish a relationship with a church group. The rabbi didn't heed the warning and later regretted it. A missionary group almost visited Elon Moreh because none of the Israeli rabbis involved realized who they were. At the last minute an American oleh rabbi recognized the situation for what it was. There are plenty more stories like those. Is Rav Melamed more acquainted with the beliefs of Christian clergy that the aforementioned rabbis were?
Why do people compare Muslims to Christians? If one is a small danger and the other a big danger, aren't they both dangers? I have yet to see anyone stating anything remotely similar to, "The Muslims aren't a danger. The Christians are the only danger." We should be as careful with small dangers as with big dangers.

Keliata said...

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch any of the videos of Beck's speech or rally, figuring it would get my blood boiling.

So I had no idea he turned the debacle into a cheesy theatrical production:(

"Ten measures of beauty were given the world, nine were taken by Jerusalem and one by all the rest."

- Talmud, Kiddushin

Why did he feel the need to try and enchance Yerushalayim, which is impossible to do?

Also, I don't know how many people caught this quote of his in which he describes himself as the "guardian of Israel."

The very second I read that my mind went to Tehillim 121: "The guardian of Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps."

The guardian of Israel clearly being Hashem as no human being can go an entire lifetime without sleep. I'm sure Glenn Beck hasn't had insomnia for however many years he's been on this earth. Neither did JC.

Tehillim 121...it's clear beyond belief who the guardian of Israel is.

(I had to do a Google search for a quote about Yerushalayim's beauty. No Google search needed at all for Tehillim 121. I know it like the back of my hand. It has always held deep meaning for me.

How sad is it that anyone would be inspired by Beck's production when they're already in Zion (also called the perfection of beauty), and there's always been a guardian of Israel (Hashem)??

Batya said...

Hadassa, Keli, I'm with you on this.

Those, like Rav Melamed who are big fund-raisers, are most susceptible to the lures of the Christians. He never was a rabbi of mine.

And I never follow the crowd, just because "everyone is doing it." That's the thing that make me suspicious and wary.

Shy Guy said...

Poor Rav E. Melamed.

Hey, Medad, where is his father, Rav Zalman Melamed on all of this? Try reading past Revivim columns in B'Sheva to find out.

Shy Guy said...

Anonymous said...

Moshe Feiglin is jealous of Glen Beck because he probably couldn't get a 100 people to come to one of his rallies.


I'll judge you l'kaf zechut and assume you're a goy.

If I was wrong, how's all that Sin'at Chinam of yours working out?

Hadassa said...

Enoch Adeboye is a missionary. Even if he doesn't target Jews, we don't want him here. Just search his name followed by missionary.

In the forefront of missionary activity out of Africa, Pastor Adeboye has achieved, through various global ministry and social organs, a great following for Christ Jesus. A counselor to pastors and heads of governments, this venerable elder statesman’s influence has today far outstripped his lowly background, and his all-pervading humility.


The Redeemed Church offers a case study of the crosscurrents that are drawing Christianity southward. Its leader and guiding force, Pastor Enoch Adeboye, sums up the church’s history this way: “Made in heaven, assembled in Nigeria, exported to the world.” He preaches that his followers — known as the Redeemed — are a chosen people and have a special covenant with God, one that promises that the church will one day claim an adherent in every family on earth.

Shabbat shalom!

Hadassa said...

P.S. Does anyone want to tell David Ha'Ivri that Rav Kahane would be aghast at what he's doing for Beck?

Shy Guy said...

Batya, can you site a documented source for the elder Rav Melamed?

Hadassa, every christian is supposed to be a missionary to some extent or another. There is still a difference between those who leave us alone versus those who don't, the latter being much harder to find and certainly almost not found in the christian VIP entourage which Beck hauled into Israel.

If you search Adeboye's church's website and forum for "Jews" and "Israel", there's not much meat on the bone.

Adeboye should still be categorized in the Kabdeihu/Chashdeihu category. But the problem in Yosh, with Ha'Ivri and others and their ignorance with whom and what they're will is much wider than the report of any individual's visit.

Batya said...

Shy, I don't have any proof so deleted what I had written. I don'thave time to do more research on it.