Israeli Elections Musings #8 The Undecideds' 4th Discussion, Listen

Last night we, the Undecideds, had our fourth discussion weighing the options of which party to vote for as elections get sooner. Pre 2026 Israeli Elections, the important legal steps have been done. Each party has entered its list of candidates, and pairs of parties that have made their surplus votes agreements. 

Actually in our pretalk discussions, I had mentioned that I'd like to discuss these partnership choices, and the organizer, Jonathan Feldstein of the Genesis 123 Foundation, included the issue in the topics discussed. Considering that Israeli governments are coalitions, I feel that the surplus votes agreement may be a hint as to possible a coalition agreement. Davka I wonder if there's such a clue in the agreement made between Avigdor Lieberman and Naftali Bennett. Lieberman is a very veteran experienced MK plus government minister, though in recent years he as been in the opposition. Naftali Bennett is the one who broke Netanyahu's run as repeat caretaker/interim Prime Minister, a role given to the most recent Prime Minister when a coalition seems impossible to negotiate after elections. Bennett shocked all by negotiating a coalition making him Prime Minister, even though his party only had seven 7 out of a hundred and twenty 120 seats in the Knesset. 

We still have over a month to go before that fateful day when we must vote/decide. Gd willing we'll be meeting again on zoom. I enjoy the discussions, as we don't agree on general policies and party choice. I hope you listen to our discussion on the youtube and let me know what you think. I'd really like to know your opinions. 

 If you want to listen to our earlier discussions, here they are 1, 2 and 3. Just click the number.

Israeli Elections Musings #5, The Undecideds Talk Again-- I'm More Undecided

 

Last night we Undecideds had another, our third, discussion. Most of us are still undecided, some more and some less. I'm probably the most undecided and depressed about the choices before us. Also, compared to the rest of the panel, I think I'm the most disappointed in my voting options.

No political party is offering, publicizing a platform that I'd consider the minimum of what I think is necessary for the long-term survival of the State of Israel. To make matters worse, the options in the Likud Primaries are even worse.

 

You're probably wondering what I'm looking for. Simply put:

VICTORY, TOTAL ABSOLUTE VICTORY  

Victory requires that the enemy surrenders, and the victorious country takes over and makes changes. Victory isn't just a battle and enemy withdrawal. Fighting for Victory requires "boots on the ground," which disqualifies Trump's American assistance. I'm thankful for what he has done, but it doesn't qualify the USA to take credit and make policy decisions.

War is hard, dirty, painful if you want to win, or you've been attacked. There's no clean way about it. It's not a game that can be won by high-tech remote control. And even more important to remember, deals don't bring peace. If you don't fight to win, you'll suffer even worse in defeat.

We've been suffering form what can either be called  serial wars or a never-ending war that takes breaks. But whatever you want to call it, the State of Israel is in serious danger. Soldiers and civilians are getting killed. As I've said for decades, I'm a CPA's daughter and care about the bottom line and not interested in pretty words, promises or clever "tricks."

One thing that disturbed me in our discussion is that nobody else said anything to show that they also considered Victory a priority. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around that. Is it age or ideology? Or were they being cautious about identifying with my overall "extremism?"

Gd willing, despite my fears, we'll have new strong, brave leadership, which will help achieve a true victory... I'm praying. Elections in Israel are very complicated because of the need for a coalition. 

Please listen to our discussion, and tell me in the comments what you think and why. And of course, share this around. 

Israeli Elections Musings #3 These Are The Choices & We're Still Undecided

 

For this discussion, Jonathan Feldstein asked each of us to give the ideology* of the various political parties in Israel of those which are mostly in the Knesset at present, plus a couple of realistic hopefuls. A reason for this is that many listeners to our panel don't live in Israel and have minimal knowledge, at best, about the multitude of political parties here. To be honest, many Israelis are only familiar with their favorites and at best their most hated. 

In Israel one can't be 100% sure of which parties will be competing until close to the deadline for applying. 

Here's our discussion, and yes, I call it a discussion, not a debate.  

As in the first of our discussion (here's the link,) lots of interesting points are brought up. We aren't a "bunch of friends." I doubt that one person in the group actually knows everyone else personally, and that includes Jonathan Feldstein. That makes our conversations even more interesting.

There's a transcription on the screen, so you can follow by reading, not just listening.

I'd love to hear your opinion and feelings and questions about our discussion. Thanks for taking the time.

*I must admit that I didn't quite follow his instructions, because I see the political parties as products of their leaders and history. In addition many do not have actual policies that match their names and/or stated political ideologies. I've been following Israeli politics since making aliyah in 1970. For instance despite the fact that the Likud markets themselves as Israeli Right, their actual policies aren't, and I'll never forget Bibi Netanyahu's speech at the 2008 International Jewish Blogger's Convention. I blogged about it calling the post "Impressive." He pledged to rule as a Centrist, and that's a good description of what he has been doing since returning to office of Prime Minister. For me facts on the ground, the bottom line are more important than how one markets oneself.