Wednesday, May 18, 2016

Palestine: Fictional Country/People

When I send out a batch of family photos, I have to use an account that for whatever reason doesn't allow regular correspondence, so I always label (put in the subject) it with:
"Please reply to"
And inevitably, replies get sent to that account and vary rarely to my gmail one. And recently I did someone a favor and sent out an email for her to a group list very clearly writing:
"Please don't reply. Call the following number..."
And of course, you guess, I got lots of emails for her and had to forward them.

It's that same sort of careless reading that people use to claim that there had been a "state called Palestine,"sic here where there now is the State of Israel. They use old maps of the Middle East  as proof:

In 1919, the British and French implemented the 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement and divided the Arab world into nation-states. The League of Nations recognized these borders and allotted "mandates" to the French and British to govern these states until it was determined that they were ready for independence.
They don't bother checking history books. Just a quick google brought me to the site with these maps. Here are two more which make it very clear, especially if you read the captions that there hadn't been a country named "Palestine" at all.

In the 1700s and 1800s, the once-powerful Ottoman Empire started to lose power. Great Britain, France, and Russia were on the hunt for new territories to conquer and began to interfere in the affairs and territories of the Ottoman Empire and Egypt.


The two primary rulers in the region were the Ottoman and Safavid Empires. The Ottoman Empire began in the 1300s in what is now Turkey. Between 1516 and 1517, the Ottomans conquered the Arab provinces. The Safavid Empire, based in what is today Iran, lasted from 1501-1722.
I'd say that the "country name" "Arab Nomads" is about the most accurate one can give the Arabs in this part of the middle east.

There always were Jews here, even after the destruction of the Second Temple. Jews lived all over in many cities, not only Jerusalem, Tzfat and Hebron. I have neighbors who are descended from the Jewish community in Gaza. Yes, until not all that long ago, and I'm talking pre-State of Israel there had always been Jews in Gaza. It had never been an Arab country until just recently when Israel gave it to Hamas and its supporters.

And yes there were also Arabs here, not too many. That is until Zionism brought economic opportunities for both Jews and Arabs. That's when many Arabs emigrated from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and further away. And don't forget that Jordan is also a Twentieth Century invention. Great Britain, contrary to the instructions they were given for the "Palestine Mandate," gave all of Transjordan, the land east of the Jordan River to the Hashemite Tribe from Saudi Arabia, and they (the Hashemites) have been occupying it ever since.

Ever since the Jewish Kingdoms and People were defeated and banished from this part of the Middle East, there hadn't been a home-grown independent country here until the Establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. We have returned, and the Land is OURS!!


L Garou said...

Yes, because everyone knows white people from Poland, Russia, Brooklyn and West Palm Beach have always lived in Palestine! (aka) hahahahaha, "Israelis"

Neshama said...

Yes, finally the Sykes-Picot disaster is just about over. Thanks to ISIL (and George B Jr).
I wrote a few posts on this way back, here is the search link Sykes-Picot>. where you can find them – that is, if you are interested. I say this only to share (not an ad). I heard (I believe it was in a shiur by Rabbi Wein or Rabbi Y. Mizrachi) that Mr. Sykes was actually a British Zionist and was all for a Jewish homeland. However, when the secret deal was finalized they stripped the Jews of their ancestral land and gave it to the "Hashemite". The time was not yet right for us. When we see these things happen, it is all according to the Grand Scheme of HaShem, leading the world toward the Geula.

Mr. Cohen said...

There can be no doubt that the Palestinians are a fictional nationality.

But the situation is more complicated than that.

The Jordanians and the Iraqis are also fictional nationalities, artificially created by the French and the British, when they ruled the Arab lands.

According to the laws of Islam, any piece of land that was controlled by Muslims at any time in the past must always remain Muslim forever.

For example, Muslims are required by their religion to retake all of southern Spain for Islam, because southern Spain used to be controlled by Muslims – even though it was hundreds of years ago.

Much more relevant to us Jews:

Muslims are required by their religion to retake ALL of Israel, because ALL of Israel used to be controlled by Muslims. It matters not whether you call it Israel or Palestine; the bottom line [as viewed from the perspective of Islam] is that it used to be Muslim-controlled in the past; therefore it must again become Muslim-controlled in the future.

According to the laws of Islam, Muslims can never tolerate any Jewish state [or any non-Muslim state] anywhere in the Middle East, regardless of its size or shape.

According to the laws of Islam, non-Muslims [especially Jews] can NEVER be permitted to rule over Muslims, regardless of how fair or how generous those rulers are. Muslims must always rule over non-Muslims, never the opposite. This is required by the laws of Islam.



Batya said...

L, I am a Jew from the People exiled from the Holyland.
Neshama and Mr Cohen, good points.

Anonymous said...

The first commenter L.Garou apparently is either an anti-semite or has fallen into their trap of the big lies!
The Jewish people have come home to Israel (given by G-D to the Jewish people) from the four corners of the earth where they were scattered over more than two millenia. True Jews are White people with either lighter or darker skin depending on a number of reasons. The DNA is exactly same for the 'real' Jew, no matter from where they have settled while in exile.

We know who we are - do you know who you are?

Batya said...

a 18/5/16 22:42, amen

Fivish said...

Thanks to the KGB in 1964 the so called Palestinians were invented as a rebranding of the Islamofascist jihadist terrorists that they were and are. Since 135 AD the Jews had been the Palestinians. But in 1922 78% of Palestine became Jordan and in 1948 the remaining 22% became Israel. The title was vacant! And how the Leftists jumped on the Palestinian band wagon. An almost perfect antisemitic Trojan Horse.

Also note for Muslims, Koran 5:20-21....
And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

Allah gave the Holy Land to the Jews!

John S said...

“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.

“And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD,” says the Lord GOD, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

Anonymous said...

History is on the side of Palestinians. Palestinians received the land of Israel thru a good valid way, i.e. marriage, not a war.
- David married Maacah the Geshurite. Maacah is ancestor of 6 good kings of Judah: Asa, Jehoshaphat, Jehoiada, Uzziah, Hezekiah, Josiah. Maacah is also ancestor of Joseph the step father of Jesus.

- Cypros was Herod's mother from the royal of Arab Nabatean kingdom, so the ethnic of Philistines merged with Arabians under a Herodian kingdom long time before the region was named as "Palaestina" by Romans. Herod was an Arab from his mother side, and some kings of his dynasty were good even acceptable to Jews, so Israel belonged to Arabs. Although Herodian dynasty ended at Agrippa II in 100 ACE, yet Philistines have become one with Arabians of Nabateans (till the coming of Islam) since the time of Antipater in 43 BCE, so it is a proof how historically the region of Palestine and Israel both belonged to Arabs.
Antipater married Cypros, a Nabataean noblewoman, which helped endear the Nabateans to him.[9] Their marriage helped bring about a close friendship between him and the King of the Arabia, Aretas, to whom Cypros was a related.

- 7th century Jund Filastin.
According to al-Biladhuri, the main towns of the district, following its conquest by the Rashidun Caliphate, were Gaza, Sebastia, Nablus, Caesarea, Ludd, Yibna, Imwas, Jaffa, Rafah, and Bayt Jibrin. At first, under the early Umayyad caliphs, Ludd served as the district capital. After the caliph Suleiman ibn Abd al-Malik founded the nearby city of Ramla, he designated it the capital, and most of Ludd's inhabitants were forced to settle there.[1]
In the 9th century, during Abbasid rule, Jund Filastin was the most fertile of Syria's districts, and contained at least twenty mosques, despite its small size.[2]
The Arab tribes that settled Jund Filastin after the Muslim conquest were the Lakhm, Kindah, Qais, Amilah, Judham and the Kinanah;[1] at the time of the Arab conquest, the region had been inhabited mainly by Aramaic-speaking Monophysite Christian peasants. The population of the region did not become predominantly Muslim and Arab in identity until several centuries after the conquest. At its greatest extent, Jund Filastin extended from Rafah in the south to Lajjun in the north, and from the Mediterranean coast well to the east of the southern part of the Jordan River. The mountains of Edom, and the town of Zoar at the southeastern end of the Dead Sea were included in the district. However, the Galilee was excluded, being part of Jund al-Urdunn in the north.[1]

Batya said...

There is no cultural historic connection between these terrorizing nomads and any ancirnt people. Jews have a clear historic religious and cultural easy to document link

Anonymous said...

Is Judean kingdom a nomad one? NO. Is Herodian dynasty a nomad? No. What we know of Judah kingdom is in fact the Palestine and Arabian from the mother side.
Furthermore, Jund Filastin was once the most fertile region: "In the 9th century, during Abbasid rule, Jund Filastin was the most fertile of Syria's districts, and contained at least twenty mosques,.."

Anonymous said...

Notable Palestinian figures in Judean people:
.Shuah the Canaanite (wife of Judah),
.Rahab the Canaanite (grandmother of David),
.Maachah the Geshurite (wife of David, and the mother of many good Judah kings),
.Cypros the Nabatean (the wife of Antipater, and the mother of Herodian dynasty)

Batya said...

just ancient history, no connection to today

Anonymous said...

Jesus the founder of Christianity is a Palestinian Canaanite.
The following Lists of Palestinians are lists of people with either a self-designation (endonym) or a foreign appellation (exonym) as "Palestinian", or who were born in the region of Palestine. Anyone with roots in the region that is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza is technically a Palestinian,[1][2][3][4][5] but today the term predominantly associates with the descendants of the non-Jewish population of the region.[3][6][7] Whilst the history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars,[8][9][10] and politicians,[11][12][13] approximately 12 million people today identify as Palestinians,[14] as defined in the Palestinian National Charter of 1968.[15]
Palestinian cuisine
Palestine's history of rule by many different empires is reflected in Palestinian cuisine, which has benefited from various cultural contributions and exchanges. Generally-speaking, modern Syrian-Palestinian dishes have been influenced by the rule of three major Islamic groups: the Arabs, the Persian-influenced Arabs and the Turks.[204] The Arabs who conquered Syria and Palestine had simple culinary traditions primarily based on the use of rice, lamb and yogurt, as well as dates.[205] The already simple cuisine did not advance for centuries due to Islam's strict rules of parsimony and restraint, until the rise of the Abbasids, who established Baghdad as their capital. Baghdad was historically located on Persian soil and henceforth, Persian culture was integrated into Arab culture during the 9th-11th centuries and spread throughout central areas of the empire.[204]

There are several foods native to Palestine that are well known in the Arab world, such as, kinafe Nabulsi, Nabulsi cheese (cheese of Nablus), Ackawi cheese (cheese of Acre) and musakhan. Kinafe originated in Nablus, as well as the sweetened Nabulsi cheese used to fill it.[citation needed] Another very popular food is Palestinian Kofta or Kufta.[206]

Mezze describes an assortment of dishes laid out on the table for a meal that takes place over several hours, a characteristic common to Mediterranean cultures. Some common mezze dishes are hummus, tabouleh, baba ghanoush, labaneh, and zate 'u zaatar, which is the pita bread dipping of olive oil and ground thyme and sesame seeds.[citation needed]

Entrées that are eaten throughout the Palestinian territories, include waraq al-'inib – boiled grape leaves wrapped around cooked rice and ground lamb. Mahashi is an assortment of stuffed vegetables such as, zucchinis, potatoes, cabbage and in Gaza, chard.
Musakhan: The Palestinian National dish.
A plate of hummus, garnished with paprika and olive oil and pine nuts
Kanafeh: a Palestinian dessert.

Palestinian art
Similar to the structure of Palestinian society, the Palestinian field of arts extends over four main geographic centers: the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel, the Palestinian diaspora in the Arab world, and the Palestinian diaspora in Europe, the United States and elsewhere.[207]
Palestinian woman. Painting by Nasr Abdel Aziz Eleyan.
Dome of the Rock mosaic art.
The future Umm el Fahem Museum of Contemporary Art.

Palestinian handicrafts
A wide variety of handicrafts, many of which have been produced in the area of Palestine for hundreds of years, continue to be produced today. Palestinian handicrafts include embroidery and weaving, pottery-making, soap-making, glass-making, and olive-wood and Mother of Pearl carvings, among others.[211][212]

Anonymous said...

DNA and genetic studies
One DNA study by Nebel found substantial genetic overlap among Israeli and Palestinian Arabs and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. A small but statistically significant difference was found in the Y-chromosomal haplogroup distributions of Sephardic Jews and Palestinians, but no significant differences were found between Ashkenazi Jews and Palestinians nor between the two Jewish communities, However, a highly distinct cluster was found in Palestinian haplotypes. 32% of the 143 Arab Y-chromosomes studied belonged to this "I&P Arab clade", which contained only one non-Arab chromosome, that of a Sephardic Jew. This could possibly be attributed to the geographical isolation of the Jews or to the immigration of Arab tribes in the first millennium.[123]
Nebel proposed that "part, or perhaps the majority" of Muslim Palestinians descend from "local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD".[110]

Anonymous said...
Ancient underground quarry, Jordan Valley
Betar (fortress)
Dothan (ancient city)
Ein Feshkha
El Khiam
Emmaus Nicopolis
Eshtemoa synagogue
Gilgal I
Hasmonean royal winter palaces
Hisham's Palace
Hyrcania (fortress)
Laura of Euthymius
Nabi Samwil
Tell en-Nasbeh
Netiv HaGdud
Qubur Bani Isra'il
Qumran Caves
Shalom Al Yisrael Synagogue
Shuqba cave
Tel Rumeida
Tell Balata
Tell el Hammeh
Tomb of Joshua
Tower of Jericho
Wadi al-Far'a (river)
Wadi Murabba'at
Wadi Qelt Synagogue
Wadi Tahuna
Wall of Jericho

Anonymous said...
Ottoman era (1516-1918)
Entrance to the Al-Jazzar Mosque, with the sabil to the right of the steps
New architectural techniques introduced by the Ottoman rulers were gradually adopted, though not universally. Jerusalem was redeveloped under Ottoman rule, its walls rebuilt, the Dome of the Rock retiled and the water system renovated.[16] Acre also underwent a massive renovation during this time and it is the best example of urban Ottoman architecture in Palestine with several khans, two bath houses, three main souqs, at least ten mosques and a citadel. The Al-Jazzar Mosque is particularly impressive with its pencil-like minaret and large central dome. Hammam al-Basha features fine decorative detailing in the form of Armenian tilework and inlaid marble floors. Houses in Acre built during this period range between two and four-storeys and many have wooden ceilings decorated with paintwork. Other important cities during the period of Ottoman rule include Hebron, Nablus, Ramla, Jaffa, Safad, and Tiberias. Most of these cities were surrounded by fortifications, and the best surviving example from this period is the wall re-constructed around Tiberias by Zahir al-Umar.[16]

British Mandate period (1918-1948)
The British sent a succession of six town planners to Mandate Palestine to try to manage intercommunal tensions that were a feature of this period. One of these was Charles Robert Ashbee, a prominent British Arts and Crafts designer, who served as Civic Adviser to the City of Jerusalem (1919-1922) and as a professional adviser to the Town Planning Commission. Described as "the most pro-Arab and anti-Zionist" of the six planners, Ashbee's view of Jerusalem, "was colored by a romantic sense of the vernacular." Aiming to protect this Palestinian vernacular and the city's secular and traditional fabric, Ashbee personally oversaw conservation and repair work in the city, and revived the craft industry there to repair the damaged Dome of the Rock.[17]

Batya said...

Absolute rubbish. Jesus was a Jew. And that is an easy one. So if you're following all the fantasies, the lies that anyone can claim on Wikipedia etc, the time has come to close comments here. The truth does not interest you at all.