Sunday, June 28, 2009

Rabbi Riskin: Taken-in or Grafted-in?

Posted by Jewish Israel

Rabbi Riskin: Taken-in or Grafted-in?
When a prominent Anglo Israeli Orthodox rabbinic leader cites the new testament’s concept of a fusion of faiths, and then proceeds to call for the need to “resurrect god” in a promotional Christian video, how is the Torah observant community supposed to react? How will that declaration be perceived by fervent Christians, and how will that ambiguity (heresy?) effect and reflect on the Jewish community?

Has Rabbi Riskin's pronouncements gone beyond the pale of normative Judaism as we know it?
View the video and read the full report....more

20 comments:

Shiloh said...

When you recognise that we have accepted a religion which strayed from the Torah, it has to be validated by accepting that all religions are true. It simply is not. They are either pagan counterfeits or plagerisms. If Jews had enough courage to correct the lies of 2000 years ago, you would not have those like R Riskin falling in line with the political correctness. Like the following blog states, we never learn. We could have literally millions upon millions of goyim follow the Torah if we expose the Great Lie.

Anonymous said...

Shiloh said...
When you recognise that we have accepted a religion which strayed from the Torah
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Who is "we"? Come on, cough it up.

"We" indeed need to weed out the "root that produces hemlock and wormwood." (Devarim 29:17)

ellen said...

I'm with Shy Guy.
Who is "we"?

Keli Ata said...

I read the report; quite disturbing. I suspect Rabbi Riskin is a closet Messianic Jew if he believes that god can die and be resurrected. Either that or he's become an "Uncle Tom" to the evangelical movement.

But that still doesn't explain his apparent lack of knowledge in other matters. He said that in the messianic era everyone would convert to Judaism.

My understanding is that in the messianic era it will be too late for goyim to convert. Why doesn't rabbi Riskin know this?

Anonymous said...

Keli, I did not understand from Riskin's use of words that he is a messianic.

His exact words are "it's critical that we ressurect god in this generation".

He's addressing a Christian audience. While I find his use of words to be unbecoming (understatement) of someone who calls himself a "rabbi", even Christian theology holds that people didn't "ressurrect" Jesus.

Riskin is speaking sematically about people reviving belief.

Again, I cannot fathom what a rabbi is doing using such christian terminology. He actually encouraged them to continue down their path, a stumbling block to potential Benei Noah, if there ever was one. What kind of a rabbi would do that?!

I do agree with you about not understanding what Riskin bases himself on that everyone will be Jewish when Mashiach comes.

ellen said...

Vvveeeerrrryyy interesting,Keli Ata.

That everybody will convert to Judaism in the messianic era appears to be a radical opinion.

From what I understand, the generally accepted opinion would be that expressed by Rav Adin Steinsaltz - part of which was included in the report at
http://www.jewishisrael.com/page/rabbi-riskin-takenin-or

With regards to your "Uncle Tom" theory, there's a similar suggestion in the JewishIsrael report:
Rabbi Riskin seems to have actualized Rav Soloveitchik’s worst interfaith nightmare by overreaching with conciliatory gestures towards evangelists. In an attempt to “level the playing field” and minimize the impossible breach between Jews and Christians, Rabbi Riskin may have conjured-up common denominators" on the issues of Jewish proselytizing,and conversion which are outside the realm of normative Judaism.

ellen said...

Once again, I agree with Shy Guy.
I don't think we have any reason to assume that Rabbi Riskin is a "messianic jew". He has repeatedly made his opposition to the "messianic" movement quite clear. I think we are dealing with a crossing of lines
which is highly inappropriate for a Jewish leader of his standing.

The Jewish people look to their leaders for clarity in times like this, and it also essential that those Jewish leaders dealing with other faith communities hold their ground, articulate consistent ideas, and keep the fences around the Torah intact.

Shiloh said...

That is you Baaaa. The incredible array of fences placed on the Torah. The Torah is simple, easy to follow according to the Torah. I don't need to waste any more time with you. Hang on for the ride because you will get the Mashiach you never wanted. Source: The Talmud. BAAAA

Anonymous said...

That's what I thought.

So, Shiloh, can we call you a Beitusi, a Tzeduki, a Kara'ite, a Nazarite?

We just want to know what cubicle of am-aratzut and/or apikorsut you claim as your workplace.

ellen said...

good call, Shy Guy.
Say it ain't so, Shiloh!

Shiloh said...

Keli, the Mashiakh was revealed in Israel a little over 7 years ago, witnessed by Orthodox Jews from several flavours (Ashk, Seph and Chabad). He is now concealed again for a period. He was already annointed with oil by Orthodox Rabbi's from Israel. In otherwords, he is accepted by the Rabbi's. He has the same story as Moshe. He will be slandered extensively by the religious. The late Rav Kaduri mentioned that the secular Jews will have a much easier time accepting him. Nothing new here as was King David. One does not have to be Jewish to live the Torah. If wicked Erev Rav did not keep the Torah to themselves (funny how the students of historical Jew from 2000 years ago tried to take the Torah to the goyim before it was hijacked by the appostates and changed) we would certainly not have the other 2 plagerized and paganized religions. HaShem warned Moshe not to include Erev Rav. Moshe thought otherwise.

All the Jewish souls are here, or reincarnated to complete their tasks. It is out of our hands now, except to live the Torah to the best of our ability, including yourself. Kol hakavod.

שילוה

Anonymous said...

To understand what the fool Shiloh is talking about, just google +kaduri +yehoshua.

Now we all know what a nutcase we're dealing with.

Thanks for the clarification, "Shiloh"!

Of course, your name would be "Shiloh". For those of us here who are otherwise Jewish, this is what "Shiloh" alludes to for the Jesus freaks who post here.

Keli Ata said...

TY Shy, Ellen, and Jewish.

You're right. I did misread the resurrection quote. Probably because the word makes me uncomfortable now. My radar goes off. Warning! Warning! Incoming missionaries!

I'm baffled as to why rabbi Riskin didn't simply say something along the lines of bringing Hashem's light into the world or talk about tikkun olam.

Just picture all the evangelicals who will point to his statement, take them out of context and focus on a rabbi saying we needed to resurrect god.

He said THEE word. That's all they need to spread it around as a thumps up and partial victory for the evangelical movement.

It's sad when even a rabbi feels the need to seek approval and admiration from Christians.

All my life it was the other way around. I looked up to Jews.

For lack of a better word it was almost like seeing a celebrity. Actually though, I think I recognized the holiness and that created a sense of awe.

Another inconsistency with what the rabbi said--that Jews throughout history have proselytized. Again, I don't know the basis for that either. Rabbis turn a potential convert away three times.

Unlike the many many many John 3:16 signs at football games I've yet to see any Jews carrying Devarim 6:4 signs at football games.


Finally, there does need to be a fence around the Torah--to protect its integrity; keep it from being corrupted.

ellen said...

Thanks for the clarification, Keli Ata.

As always, your perspective on this issue is very appreciated. It's important to hear from people who have been there and done that.

Jewish Israel feels it's important that our people consider how our words can be used and distorted by those with an evangelizing agenda.

Anonymous said...

Keli Ata said...

Unlike the many many many John 3:16 signs at football games I've yet to see any Jews carrying Devarim 6:4 signs at football games.

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That would be true whether we win or lose.

But to cheerlead our side, I would recommend Tehilim 20:9-10.

Shiloh said...

Nothing to do with Kaduri's note. To quote your own words, "you have no clue." You are prophecy being fulfilled. Such incredible stupidity as you and your like continue to desicrate haShem.

Anonymous said...

Ah, he speaks in parables.

Keli Ata said...

Shiloh: I don't know much about this rabbi of yours but I searched online and saw something about him blessing amulets. Talismen??

Keli Ata said...

Shy Guy--I've never been to pro game in my life but if I do I'm bringing two signs: Devarim 6:4 and Tehillim 20:9-8.

During Cast Lead I recited Tehillim 83 too and encouraged other to pray that as well.

Anonymous said...

Look who's sweating kneidelach.