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Wednesday, May 4, 2016

The Truth! Why Are There Still Palestinian, sic, Refugees?

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Why Are There Still Palestinian, sic, Refugees?


CDG, Yerushalayim, Eretz Yisrael Shlemah said...

Thank you, Batya!

I find it funny in a strange sort of way that my own grandmother, z"l, was a REFUGEE to the US (Brooklyn, NY) FROM PALESTINE, where she was born & raised (Haifa, to be exact, before and during the Mandate period) - so why wouldn't anyone talk about her? Because she was a JEW. And because she stayed with her brother, who had moved there some time before. No UNRWA-style funding for her!

Batya Medad said...

Different rules when it comes to Jews...

Anonymous said...

Not too hard to understand; because the world (controllers) never intended for Israel to exist for too long and were hoping for its destruction as soon as it became a state and are still working to undo it. We are a thorn in their sides. Afraid this will continue until Moshiach Tzdkeinu comes.

Batya Medad said...


Anonymous said...

It's really basic, and not at all hard to understand.

Countries hosting refugees are not obliged to afford those refugees citizenship, and refugee status is heritable under the terms if the Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees.

The Jewish refugees that you discuss at length became citizens of Israel and other countries. As soon as they did that, any "refugee status" that they might have had ended - see the Convention and Protocol mentioned above.

Palestine refugees have not become citizens of the countries to which they fled (the alleged encouragement from Arab states for them to flee is not relevant - they fled a war zone, and are correctly identified as refugees as a result). That is why they and their immediate descendants remain refugees.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that people who leave their homes (for whatever reason) are entitled (they have the absolute RIGHT) to return to those homes. Israel agreed to the terms of UNGAR 194, under which terms the Palestine refugees were to be allowed to return, as a precursor to being admitted to UN membership. It was then given UN membership and promptly decided not to allow those refugees to return to their homes. Had Israel stuck by its agreement with the UN, Palestine refugees would have returned and there would, today, be no Palestine refugees.

[Educated at a Real University.]

Batya Medad said...

a, not exactly
population transfer is a normal thing, and there are so many Arab countries that could have taken them, but they are being held as thorns in Israel's side

Anonymous said...

Points that you avoid (as well as all of the facts that I posted) include that

1. What you describe as "population transfer" is found by the UN to be illegal unless it is a voluntary process in which the people transferred agree to being transferred:
"Historical cases reflect a now-foregone belief that population transfer may serve as an option for resolving various types of conflict, within a country or between countries. The agreement of recognized States may provide one criterion for the authorization of the final terms of conflict resolution. However, the cardinal principle of "voluntariness" is seldom satisfied, regardless of the objective of the transfer. For the transfer to comply with human rights standards as developed, prospective transferees must have an option to remain in their homes if they prefer."
[United Nations Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities (1993)]
It is plain that there was no such voluntary transfer in the case of Palestine/Jewish refugees.

2, You are abusing the term in order to obfuscate:
"In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible. Things [...] can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. [...] Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers."
[George Orwell]

[Educated at a Real University]