Calling the digging up of some buildings from only a few hundred years ago "archeology" almost had me laughing out loud when I noticed the sign. But I controlled myself, not wanting to offend my cousins who were hosting me on a tour of the historic part of Philly.
Here's the American "dig:"
And here's an Israeli one from Jerusalem :
and one from Shiloh:
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against historic Philadelphia, the way it is set up for tourists, locals and student groups. I found it lovely, entertaining and educational.
American History is so short that they even have pictures of the people and events that shaped it. Remember that the United States was only declared two hundred years ago, and ten times that was the amount of time since we Jews lost administrative control of our Land before the relatively recent establishment of the State of Israel.
The Europeans took over the American continents claiming Manifest Destiny. I'd consider it related to Christian proselytism, their attempts to convert people to Christianity all over the world. We Jews don't practice such a thing. We just have our religion, history and one Land. It's actually difficult for someone to become a righteous convert to Judaism.
If any people in the middle east are practicing a form of Manifest Destiny, it's the Muslim Arabs who are violently trying to take over the Jewish Homeland.
Americans, being relatively new to the world of nations haven't a clue.
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Batya, Do your cousins read your blog?
Leah, I don't know. I doubt it. And if they do, they're smart enough to understand the numbers. Living in Israel over forty years, when I hear archeology, I think in the thousands of years. It had never occurred to me that there are archologists investigating what happened a few hundred years ago.
Archaeology is valid even if it for something 70 years ago. There is archaeology on the Second World War. History as a discipline is a constant process of examining data; as new data emerges then the conclusions are able to be re considered.
Shalom!
Definitions of archaeology vary greatly. Some include history, which includes yesterday, and some specify "ancient" or "pre-history" as the time frame. Whatever the definition is, everyone should remember that Israel has belonged to the Jews since long before the Europeans and the British conquered what is known today as the USA.
LM, you could be right technically, but that doesn't change the fact that the two countries, Israel and the USA are apples and peas...
Hadassa, exactly the point.
There is North American archeology that goes back more than a thousand years. The amerInds are part of American History. European settlement in North America dates back to the 1100's. You sound like those who would pooh-pooh the Beit Shani archeology because, after all, it's not as old as Beit Rishon. And, the archeology of Jerusalem of the 1600's ==is== important because the goal is NOT to show that dat-Moshe existed in Israel 3000 years ago.... it is to show that it has been there CONTINUOUSLY. That very point, is where the Palestinians are attacking the zionist enterprise. If you want to win the game....keep your eye on the ball, not the cheerleaders.
>> The Europeans took over the American continents claiming Manifest Destiny.
very, very wrong. the term was invented just before the Civil War; it didn't last too long in Public Discourse. The idea did not succeed in changing anyone's mind about any controversies, nor win anyone any votes; which is why politicians dropped it as a campaign point pretty quickly.
>> I'd consider it related to Christian proselytism, their attempts to convert people to Christianity all over the world
Batya is allowed to think what ever she likes, but i bet she can't show me any ==evidence== that's probative to her claim.
Alan, obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I'm not talking about, nor did I see, any ancient digs in North America. This is United States history and buildings from the late 18th century.
Don't tell me you've never heard of the christian missions all over the world.
> Don't tell me you've never heard of the christian missions all over the world.
Ah, the old "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one" logical error.
When folks are ready to go Off The Derech from wherever it is they are, it doesn't matter ==who== shows up.... they'll jump on that bandwagon. This is why some Filipinos are Christians, but others are Muslims. Both ends of the archipeligo, had reached the end of the road in terms of being satisifed with stone-worship and animism.
And it doesn't even need to be a ==human== interlocutor: Google on "cargo cult".
folks who don't really understand the human mind (example: "Jewish Israel"), think that if they can just keep the satanic cooties away from their tribefolk, no one will get led astray Off The Derech.
If I mentioned the fact that, year after year after year, the Amish people lose an approximately constant percentage of their youth to "Off the Derech", she as an experienced teacher would say: "that's human nature!".
But if I then say that in a country where 5 million people were handed a Teudat Zehut by a bureaucracy, assigning them to the category "yehudi", we can ALSO expect a fixed percentage of leakage ==no matter what is said or done==.... then she'll click her heels and repeat endlessly: "it's the Missionaries, it's the Missionaries, it's the Missionaries".
When I see the Israel Society of Actuaries deciding its rates for fire-insurance on homes in Shiloh on advice based on guidance from rabbonim, I'll start to believe that Batya's ideas should considered as to whether Israel should allow residency to someone who might just turn out to be the next Orde Wingate.
One additional Orde Wingate would strengthen Hebrew control of Shiloh more than ten million additional Jewish women praying there on Rosh Hodesh.
Sorry, you're not making any sense at all.
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