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Thursday, May 30, 2019

Lieberman versus Likud in a Nutshell


I listened very carefully to Avigdor Lieberman's press conference. As much as don't like the man, either he's a totally amazing actor, or he revealed his real dilemma, if you listen carefully.

Bibi learned how to stress his love of the Bible
and keep a kippah handy.
There is something very basic that holds Leberman back from fully assimilating into the world of Israeli Right wing politics. Unlike your typical Likudnik, Avigdor Lieberman is an avowed securlarist. He comes to his Rightist policies devoid of religion, spirituality and sentiment.

Lieberman is the product of Soviet Society and values. His discomfort and can we call it hatred of the chareidim is most like the Labor Zionists of old, the ones who assigned young religious new immigrants to secular boarding schools and proudly served ham on Yom Kippur.

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The biggest difference between Lieberman and the early Leftist Zionists is that they, on the most part, came from a traditional Jewish world, and Lieberman didn't.

There are many ways of "dividing" Jewish Israeli society. For Lieberman, religion is a big factor. He is very blunt about not wanting the State of Israel to be ruled in any way by Halacha, Jewish Law. Lieberman's definition of Right doesn't seem to be based on anything, unlike dati leumi, religious nationalist, or your typical Likudnik who treasures the Bible and Jewish Tradition.

Lieberman's supporters are mostly Russian speakers, while the mainstay of Likud voters are Sefardim, descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab and North African countries. The Likud also has support from those who follow Jabotinsky, aren't Histadrut socialists and those who consider the Etzel and Lechi the heroes of the struggle against the British Mandate.

I'm sure that Lieberman's supporters absolutely loved his press conference, and I'm just as sure that others are even less enthused, even where they may agree with some specific points.

Also many Israelis want a government that will unite us, not divide us. Avigdor Lieberman is a divisive politician, not a national leader. He is too Right wing for the secular Left and too secular for the Right. Although Lieberman has been in Israel for decades, he just doesn't understand Israelis.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just have a feeling someone paid him off to sabotage Bibi. Since the public prosecutor's office and the police are totally controlled by the left, he wouldn't have to fear prosecution if he did.

Batya said...

as Bibi pointed out in his reply, Lieberman has done this before

Mr. Cohen said...

Batya said:

“Although [Avigdor] Lieberman has been in Israel
for decades, he just doesn't understand Israelis.”

my response:

Ex-President Barack Hussein Obama lived
in America for decades, but he never
understood what it means to be American.

Therefore, amazing ignorance of basic facts
is not always an obstacle that can prevent
a man from gaining power.

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Batya said...

Mr. Cohen, the political systems in the two countries are so different that your comment makes no sense. It shows that you don't know enough about the Israeli system.

Anonymous said...

Somehow, it does make sense what Mr. Cohen said about the comparison of the former U.S. president and Lieberman; they both have no feeling nor understanding of their respective nations. Lieberman reminds me of the personification of an Erev Rav. He is determined by his behavior to deJudaize Israel as much as possible; doesn't matter what the general public wants nor does it matter that this is the holy nation of Israel in the holy Land of Israel. He cannot understand such sentiments.
Also, the Israeli form of government is very unusual and has tendency to work dysfunctionally from its foundation. It's part Leventine, British, Western and there are too many cooks and the broth gets ruined. Maybe it would be wise if they can change the way it is set up. There seems to be constant chaos in its whole unJewish makeup. That is why we need Moshiach ASAP before things get worse.

Batya said...

Sorry A, but I don't agree with anything you wrote. Israel isn't a regular country, and it's not supposed to be one. Also there's no "Erev Rav," and the Moshiach when he/she appears will be the result of our living better and treating Jews better. The Moshiach won't be a policeman or mindchanger dictator.

Mr. Cohen said...

Batya, when you say that: "there is no Erev Rav"
you are contradicting many of the greatest Rabbis.

I will not go into details about this; if you
want to know more, then speak to Orthodox Rabbis.

Anonymous, thank you for agreeing with me (whoever you are).

Batya said...

Nowadays, people who use the term aren't great rabbis. Mr Cohen, I'm sure you know that.

Mr. Cohen said...

Mr. Charlie Kirk (a Conservative activist) said:

“They [the political Leftists] hate the idea
that certain countries can be better than others,
and Israel is one of the greatest success stories
in history of the world.

The [political] Left does not want
those success stories to exist.”

SOURCE:
Conservative activist Charlie Kirk
speaks of ‘eye-opening’ stint in Israel:

by Josh Hasten, 2019 March 20
www.jns.org/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-speaks-of-eye-opening-stint-in-israel/

Batya said...

We ruin their theories.

Anonymous said...

Batya: When Mr. Cohen said 'Rabbis'. he wasn't speaking of todasy's rabbis. He meant, literally, Chazal. It is from our Torah and our great Sages from the time of matan Torateinu and on. Suggest you read in today's post on Going Home to Yerushalayim, a post by Rabbi Pinchus Winston where he writes about the Ere Rav.

Batya said...

Yes, that's why the nameless commenters who use the term erev rav have no authority or real proof.

Anonymous said...

Proof of his being erev rav? What proof do you need? Sheesh.
https://www.breslev.co.il/articles/judaism/concepts_in_judaism/todays_erev_rav.aspx?id=25294&language=english