tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post5985243922186308774..comments2024-03-18T21:09:03.146+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Jerusalem Day: Reflecting on 49 YearsBatyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-6352237254788710712016-06-06T20:29:47.014+03:002016-06-06T20:29:47.014+03:00Actually we really don't knoe what that new re...Actually we really don't knoe what that new reality will be.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-55017358099295813902016-06-06T19:37:02.866+03:002016-06-06T19:37:02.866+03:00Often I have used the phrase "until Moshiach ...Often I have used the phrase "until Moshiach comes" (which I attribute to a friend of my wife's) to describe when there will be peace in the Middle East. (In fact, I wrote an essay to that effect a few years ago--I can still reproduce it if needed.) Unfortunately, I still believe that this is when the conflict will be resolved, because there are Arabs who will not give it up for religious reasons.sheldanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03696749138880768464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-7717056864223060452016-06-06T06:18:50.426+03:002016-06-06T06:18:50.426+03:00sheldan, A. Kinsberg, yes, sadly sosheldan, A. Kinsberg, yes, sadly soBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-7323844177361956432016-06-06T05:52:26.536+03:002016-06-06T05:52:26.536+03:00B"H
I believe it was Eldad (correct me if wr...B"H<br /><br />I believe it was Eldad (correct me if wrong) who remarked that Tzahal liberated Har Habayit but then ran down to the Kotel to blow shofar and daven; should have been the other way around.<br /><br />And today, Jews get mental orgasms and are satisfied when they see this plaza below Har Habayit. <br />In the video "Reflections on Yom Y-m", the following statements are made:<br />Rabbi Elazar Muskin (YI of Century City) "Prior to 1967, we wondered will we ever be able to go to the Kotel; it was a dream,. yeah when the Mashiach comes." <br />Rabbi Marvin Hier stated "...Until 1967, Israel was a state w/o a soul. When the IDF took the Kotel, the miracle of the State of Israel was completed."<br />Rabbi Asher Brander "Y-m in its entirety is in our hands..." (Guess Har Habayit today is not seen as part of Y-m.<br /><br /><br /> <br />A. Kinsbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-334944186209140262016-06-05T23:46:05.526+03:002016-06-05T23:46:05.526+03:00I couldn't agree with you more regarding what ...I couldn't agree with you more regarding what in World History is done when a war results in conquered territory. I understand that for whatever reason Britain ceded 77% of the Palestine Mandate to the Arabs. But this did not mean that they couldn't leave the other 23% alone. If they had, there would have been an Arab Palestinian state and a Jewish Palestinian state and there would have been no Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both peoples would have been able to settle their countries and there would have been a logical border.<br /><br />Instead, the international community couldn't do the just thing when it came to the Jews. There was the Partition Plan of 1947, which divided the 23% further into areas that were not contiguous and placed Jerusalem in the "international zone." Despite their misgivings, the Jews accepted it, and the Arabs rejected it. Instead, they went to war in 1948. They lost, and the result was the pre-1967 lines--still not the entire 23%, but better than the Partition Plan's proposal.<br /><br />Of course, they decided to try to destroy Israel again in 1967. Israel won that war too, and with the victory emerged with the entire 23% again. As you stated, you would think that the world would treat this as they would treat any other war--Israel would be allowed to retain the land. But the world apparently can't accept this, and Israel has tried to come to terms with the Arabs over their grievances, only to be rebuffed because Israel has some valid claims too.<br /><br />I had hopes (I remember celebrating the 1979 Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty when I was single along with other groups) that we could negotiate an agreement that would settle the issue. But now I am in agreement with you that we should have held on to the 23% without any apology, resisted the world's opinion, and done what is in the interest of the Jewish People with this golden opportunity for all of us.sheldanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03696749138880768464noreply@blogger.com