tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post5953539699154529678..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Disturbing NewsBatyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-56902529774000288042012-08-26T06:27:00.868+03:002012-08-26T06:27:00.868+03:00goyish, didn't think of the "refusing ord...goyish, didn't think of the "refusing orders" in terms of this.<br />Hadassa, I don't trust anything Pinchas says about it, all spin.<br />Leah, yes, awful<br />Alan, no comprendoBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-15302718508249433792012-08-26T04:55:26.843+03:002012-08-26T04:55:26.843+03:00I myself do support the nationalist-repatriation-t...I myself do support the nationalist-repatriation-to-J-&-S concepts; I even contribute financially. But in the soap opera of Israeli politics..... it's odd to hear nationalist-campers crying about the other side using volunteers. They're copying from y'alls, honeybunchkins!<br /><br />Hadassa's appeal to halacha is disturbing. Just a few minutes ago, I was re-reading the story of all the Hebrew blood shed by the Zealots when they occupied the Temple.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160350570530717935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-52548175901379256402012-08-26T04:16:19.430+03:002012-08-26T04:16:19.430+03:00My face fell when I read this. I cannot stand that...My face fell when I read this. I cannot stand that this takes place and I think of Gush Katif.<br /> It is sad and angering enough for the residents of Migron, yet what the "leaders and judges" sic do not understand is their worse than just poor decision's weighty effect in Shomayim and what that will very possibly bring down to Olam Hazeh. <br /> There is the very real possibility of war in Israel from many fronts-not just physical and they don't realize that their decisions can be a catalyst for this and other negative elements........I don't know what else to do in addition to davening to Hashem.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338022892863788418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-32669322363663367252012-08-26T00:36:19.237+03:002012-08-26T00:36:19.237+03:00Shalom!
Most of the rabbis and Yesha "leaders...Shalom!<br />Most of the rabbis and Yesha "leaders" who capitulated in K'far Maimon had never been in favor of refusing illegal orders. (Just for the record, in an interview after the Expulsion Pincas Wallerstein publicly stated that the Yesha Council never intended to lead the 60,000 protesters to Gush Katif.) The rabbis who were and are in favor of refusing orders, but also capitulated in K'far Maimon, did so because during the three days in K'far Maimon they came to the conclusion that if the crowd broke through the barriers and proceeded towards Gush Katif there would be bloodshed, and that that should be avoided. <br />Concerning refusing illegal orders in general, here's another situation to illustrate a point. Should a store owner open his store on Shabbat because other store owners are opening their stores on Shabbat, and they will continue to do so even if he keeps his store closed? Of course not. Opening a store on Shabbat involves activities that are clearly forbidden according to halacha. The same holds true for obeying orders that are forbidden according to halacha; a prohibition is a prohibition, and does not become permitted no matter how many people violate it. How much effect will the refusal have? The effect depends on how many soldiers refuse orders. The prohibition does not.Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-79072728906470067922012-08-25T23:07:16.054+03:002012-08-25T23:07:16.054+03:00This not only says something about the "profe...This not only says something about the "professionalism" of the evictions. It also shows the hollowness of refusing orders. Refusing orders and getting in trouble would be worthwhile if it accomplished something. But since they can always find someone else, either getting paid or ideologically in favor, it is clear that this is not the way. The Yesha leaders and rabbis who turned the struggle into a mere protest at Kfar Maimon had no problem with refusing orders because it was mere protest. It takes direct action against, such as massive civil disobedience or mutiny to stop the destroyers. I suspect, however, that there will be something much bigger which will make this discussion a moot point. Probably the coming war with Iran and Egypt.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.com