tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post4710453943928878724..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Will Rising Terror and Antisemitism Push American Jews to Israel?Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-39930310219459162892015-12-11T09:17:59.416+02:002015-12-11T09:17:59.416+02:00Van interesting comment thanks. Jews learn the har...Van interesting comment thanks. Jews learn the hard way.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-12254713642136227192015-12-10T22:25:03.942+02:002015-12-10T22:25:03.942+02:00Re: your statement,
"I'm among those who...Re: your statement, <br />"I'm among those who has no doubts that things will only get worse in the United States of America",<br />a distinction must be drawn:<br />The situation may well tailspin in deterioration, but that, in and of itself, does not necessarily bode ill for Jews. <br />My impression is, going on the recollection that the Rebbe said that America shall be a land of Chesed until Moshiach comes,<br />which makes sense because so many Jews live here and Jewish presence is what gives America is superpower attainment,<br />the situation may bring hardship but - not religious persecution, not that anymore. Religion the world over for Yidden is practice as you have the freedom to do. That option for worldwide Jewry was not always viable. Today thank God it's different, probably because we are quickly approaching Geulah.<br /><br />So I beg to differ with your thought. True the screws are being tightened for Jews to pack up and leave for Eretz Yisrael, but this merely reflects the Geulah in operation in high gear - thank God. The screws are being applied in Sweden big time, in much of Europe to be sure, but okay - how else do you want Hashem to send them the message - by Whatsapp?<br /><br />The government in power now in America, that sick liberal junta, will have to die. My personal opinion why Hashem installed that reprobate in the White House, was to finally wean secular Israelis off their constant screaming "We need America; We need their military support; We need their financial help!", all the while regarding America as their savior. So Hashem saw fit to put a stop to that foolish thought. Hashem thus forces these Jews to realize we need only Hashem!<br /><br />The next administration, hopefully Trump, may relieve the burden of all those monkeywrenches already thrown into the works by this regime, and all those monkeys thrown into the human resources infrastructure and educational system. <br /><br />I think that because the Geulah may well spin out of a situation Jews found themselves in during the original days of Purim. Achashverosh and the Jews got along. Jews held high powerful positions. Plus - there was democracy! His was the first democracy in the world. <br /><br />The Rebbe points out that yearning for the Geulah in a time of beneficence for Jews is a higher level that wanting it under oppressive rule. Democracy is a good test background against which to do tshuvah. However, if the Jews stray, ch"v, the screws indeed may tighten a bit.<br /><br />Moshiach now - with mercy and astonishingly fast!in the vanguardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796434751654291581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-19145901627202378872015-12-09T23:02:40.335+02:002015-12-09T23:02:40.335+02:00I'm here 45 years, and I don't see and exp...I'm here 45 years, and I don't see and experience what you're ranting about.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-42329893555397119922015-12-09T21:23:54.806+02:002015-12-09T21:23:54.806+02:00Exactly what are you celebrating? Daily attacks lo...Exactly what are you celebrating? Daily attacks lottery? Yordim were angry at Kapo type bureaucrats backed by same all on Diaspora raised monies reaching israel many corrupt agencies <br />Go ahead and ask them. Fighting the cause is useless when the fighters are mean, egocentric machers. I can understand religious making aliya because they don't care about above blocs.<br />They come at all cost. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-76687619002415151252015-12-09T10:53:25.455+02:002015-12-09T10:53:25.455+02:00Mr Cohen I have never been able to understand the ...Mr Cohen I have never been able to understand the yordim excuse for not making aliyah. We have celebrated 45 years since making aliyah and celebrate 45 years here. I have no doubt our lives in chul would have been harder and worse.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-80498340172773238282015-12-09T06:32:25.549+02:002015-12-09T06:32:25.549+02:00How am I supposed to feel enthusiastic about makin...How am I supposed to feel enthusiastic about making aliyah when hundreds of thousands of Israeli-born Jews who speak fluent Hebrew and served in the IDF live in North American and Europe, and 99% of them have no intention of returning to Israel any time in the foreseeable future?<br /><br />I cannot afford to buy an apartment in Israel, and I have no relatives or close friends there. If I made aliyah, I would be stuck in a situation with insufficient money, no friends, no relatives, and not able to speak conversational Hebrew. <br /><br />Last but not least, my very-sensitive nerves would not survive even one terrorist incident, or even worse, the Israeli bureaucracy. I would be almost as helpless as a lost child.Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-91324309777819033882015-12-09T06:02:54.063+02:002015-12-09T06:02:54.063+02:00Yakov Butterfield, thanks for all the information....Yakov Butterfield, thanks for all the information. I can see the intermarriage rate rising among my own American family, and it is now second generation. Many are lost completely to Judaism.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-40469293926208707342015-12-09T04:39:44.393+02:002015-12-09T04:39:44.393+02:00Jews are given a choice; either become Torah Jews ...Jews are given a choice; either become Torah Jews living in Eretz Israel or die out as a individual and a community. According to the Pew Research Institute <a href="http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/</a> there is a 79% intermarriage rate, 67% of Secular Jews are not raising their children Jewish, 70% of children that didn't receive a Jewish education (ie, went to public schools) ultimately intermarried. In comparison, of those that attended a Orthodox Jewish Day school or Yeshiva until grade 12 - 2% intermarried. Jews are not having children: with a Jewish Fertility Rate of 1.4 (Replacement is 2) and Jews are now older;<br /> the majority of Jew in the US are now over 55. What is really interesting is the Age Distribution among Jews of stead of being a bell curve it is flatly distributed. Compare 2007 to 2014 <a href="http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/jewish/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/</a><br /> % of Jews who are ages…<br /> ------ 18-29 30-49 50-64 65+ Sample Size<br /> 2014-- 22% 27% 26% 26% 825 <br /> 2007-- 20% 29% 29% 22% 664 <br /> <a href="https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/08/23/reform-movement-iran/" rel="nofollow">If many American Jews are abandoning Israel</a> it has more to do with their weakening sense of Jewish peoplehood, as reflected <a href="https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/loving-us-to-death/" rel="nofollow">in the 2013 Pew Survey</a>, The Jewish population in the Diaspora is either making Aliyah or dying out. Those Jews that still live in the Diaspora will convert to anything else to hide their Jewishness; <a href="http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/baal_shem_tov_and_students/under_the_tzaddiks_wing.aspx?id=28016&language=english." rel="nofollow">http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/baal_shem_tov_and_students/under_the_tzaddiks_wing.aspx?id=28016&language=english.</a><br /> "...both her parents had assimilated, hiding any signs that led to their Jewish birth and background...." Remember the Spanish Expulsion of 1492 and the Marranos Jews .Yakov Butterfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022873115960031011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-53334911641870630222015-12-08T23:10:11.858+02:002015-12-08T23:10:11.858+02:00CDG, good answer thanks.CDG, good answer thanks.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-40231156029132361382015-12-08T23:04:08.217+02:002015-12-08T23:04:08.217+02:00Actually, Anon 8/12/15 21:11, I don't know wha...Actually, Anon 8/12/15 21:11, I don't know what you mean "why so much emphasis on America, when there are millions perhaps tens of millions elsewhere" - what millions? Who are you referring to? <br /><br />So far, America has the most known Jews anywhere in the world, except maybe Israel. Most nations have up to maybe hundreds of THOUSANDS at most.<br /><br />HDG, Yerushalayim, E"Y Shlemahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10943174572566458612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-64328297355684765042015-12-08T23:03:55.248+02:002015-12-08T23:03:55.248+02:00Emunah, please be in contact and b'hatzlachah!...Emunah, please be in contact and b'hatzlachah! Good luck, great success!<br />CR, who knows?<br />a's are you one or many?<br />I write more about America, because it's the country I know the best after Israel.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-3021169673951377142015-12-08T21:11:07.829+02:002015-12-08T21:11:07.829+02:00also, why so much emphasis on America, when there ...also, why so much emphasis on America, when there are millions perhaps tens of millions elsewhere<br /><br />Yeshayahu in chapter 19 pretty much sums up how to proceed: be cordial with People, work diligently with your hands, and maintain your heritageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-77680260523589785062015-12-08T21:02:54.885+02:002015-12-08T21:02:54.885+02:00The challenge for the IDF will be to straddle Sina...The challenge for the IDF will be to straddle Sinai-Aza and the Golan, basically: Greater Flexibility is required, thenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-69238388025459024412015-12-08T20:57:45.738+02:002015-12-08T20:57:45.738+02:00If Trump is voted into office, he may usher harshe...If Trump is voted into office, he may usher harsher measures against Leftists, Muslims, Atheists, and Stuff.<br /><br />American Jews are grappling with that Sad fact: they cringe at watching Muslims being tested existentially<br /><br />Usually, Americans are challenged with supporting the underdog, but, with much of this Generation failing textually, only a severe separation will bring Greater Clarity to a Bloody Battlefield<br /><br />Europe can no longer test Israel in its ignorance either because they are realizing that Islam isn't compatible: it's unholy<br /><br />Perhaps it's because it's winter that such a Holy War lacks emotion, but that's what happens when Greater Israel is neglected; it wouldn't be wise to go skiing upon the Golan, at this time, for example;<br /><br />There's not much you can do under Lockdown, but cast your cares on the Worlds. The West fears Martial Law, but as you should know by now, Asherism requires Greater Care, otherwise Greater Constriction IS imposed, due to Incompetence, if any.<br /><br />Egypt realizes that it is in peril, and is reaching out to Israel, for speedy assistance, in the gaseous department; if anything, that's what American Jews can expect: to embody relief, in the absence of Cities of Refuge east of the JordanCRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-13243006532530823292015-12-08T17:59:26.598+02:002015-12-08T17:59:26.598+02:00I live in galus in a tiny liberal leaning Orthodox...I live in galus in a tiny liberal leaning Orthodox community. I can honestly say that 95% will never make Aliyah. They have good/important jobs and nice houses and are very comfortable. There is denial of the seriousness of what is occurring in the world. Recently the government opened 4 refugee centers in our area - 2 within walking distance. Muslims are everywhere. My husband is trying to tell them to carry mace and to come up with an emergency plan in case we are attacked in shul on Shabbat. One attack in shul while we are davening will wipe out the entire community. He was roundly pooh-poohed and advised by someone on the board that "all of those people are good people just like us - not the crazies" Needless to say we filled out our application on NbN and are counting the months. We are not wealthy. My husband just got laid off his job. We really don't know what we'll do once we get there but we trust that if Hashem can sustain us in galus He can sustain us in Israel. We know i won't be easy.<br /><br />EmunahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-19403873900180636782015-12-08T17:05:00.078+02:002015-12-08T17:05:00.078+02:00NG Gd willing they will come and it will work out....NG Gd willing they will come and it will work out.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-58363935961809067122015-12-08T07:52:34.150+02:002015-12-08T07:52:34.150+02:00Superb post Batya. Sadly, many Americans (and Euro...Superb post Batya. Sadly, many Americans (and Europeans like my sis-in-law in France) want desperately to make aliya but they are unable to financially having no prospect of employment here. (Her son came on a pilot trip last year for 2 weeks. There is NO Nefesh b'Nefesh in France.) In the USA many those with comfortable lives are wary of giving up their lives of ease in their 'safe' conclaves (ghettos?). Others like a dear friend of mine and her husband had to remain in the USA to take care of both Mothers who are Holocaust survivors. They purchased an apartment in Jerusalem but NONE of their 7 children live here. **sigh** So I believe, sadly, that although numbers will rise, we will NOT see a tremendous upswing in aliya. May I be proved strong. May Hashem bless you for keeping such important issues in the public eye!Netivotgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00746343586043134996noreply@blogger.com