tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post4590795869603200630..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: NRP-Jewish Home Should Close The BusinessBatyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-84342684891699757562009-02-14T22:23:00.000+02:002009-02-14T22:23:00.000+02:00Thanks, Yoni, so many of the NRP "bet" voters cons...Thanks, Yoni, so many of the NRP "bet" voters consider it like a religion and haven't really thought about what it stands for.<BR/><BR/>And many who voted Likud never listened to what Bibi has said about it being a center party.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-82835669585355137032009-02-14T21:43:00.000+02:002009-02-14T21:43:00.000+02:00Bs"DYou are right. For the first time I voted and ...Bs"D<BR/>You are right. For the first time I voted and volunteered for the National Union with a full heart. They have my confidence from an ideological point of view, and also because of a 1st class line-up of candidates. My favourite is Rav Michael Ben Ari, though I like and respect the other 3 leading candidates. It's a pity that so many of the religious camp felt an uncontrollable urge to vote Likud. Moshe Feiglin should understand that the only thing causing the Likud to 'turn right' is its potential coalition partners. I tremble to think what would Bibi do with 31 mandates and no National Union (as he would have wanted).<BR/>Shavua tov, YoniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-81727610710334681912009-02-12T19:42:00.000+02:002009-02-12T19:42:00.000+02:00Shimon, I think the voters for the two have more i...Shimon, I think the voters for the two have more in common than their leaders.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-1470754444644717892009-02-12T15:46:00.000+02:002009-02-12T15:46:00.000+02:00obviously those who voted IL cannot see the POV of...obviously those who voted IL cannot see the POV of the NRP and vice versa<BR/><BR/>inevitable or not the split is a fact<BR/> <BR/>i don't see anything productive coming out of the discussions: who's fault is it / who is better / who has more votes<BR/><BR/>at the end of the day we have two parties that although they may have different perspective for the most part have many many common goalsShimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00161801089483717975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-73040180226798067452009-02-12T15:34:00.000+02:002009-02-12T15:34:00.000+02:00Shimon, the NRP message isn't attracting voters, c...Shimon, the NRP message isn't attracting voters, certainly not too many young ones. The fake closing of the party didn't win it many fans, certainly not new ones. The party is rich; it owns property and it has institutions under its auspices.<BR/>Now continue with the link which Shy posted. It discusses religious Zionists and the need for the religious zionists to unite. When I saw that I stopped reading.<BR/>That's why the Moledet-NU had to leave. It's not exclusively religious. When the NRP says that it will allow "one" non-kippah wearing person in the top ..., it's making it very clear that there is no unity, no equality. They are just doing a "favor" to get votes. It's a gimmic, just like the new name.<BR/><BR/>You can't break up something which was never really one.<BR/><BR/>Hadassa, true about the schools. I got some interesting info about the BA hs's. For another post.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-75903765726604580772009-02-12T14:56:00.000+02:002009-02-12T14:56:00.000+02:00Why We Lost.<A HREF="http://www.kehilaemunit.org/content/view/5541/13/" REL="nofollow"><B>Why We Lost</B></A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-15313234774910087342009-02-12T14:44:00.000+02:002009-02-12T14:44:00.000+02:00Shalom!Look at WHO voted NRP and WHO voted NU, not...Shalom!<BR/>Look at WHO voted NRP and WHO voted NU, not just at their relative numbers. It's not difficult. The official voting results for each city and settlement are available online. A quick glance at the results in Yosh, community by community, shows that the statists voted NRP (NRP Bet, as in sug bet), the Zionists (It's always capitalized, isn't it?) voted NU, the "traditional" but not religious voted Likud, the Russians voted Lieberman etc. I haven't gone over the cities yet.<BR/>Concerning the NRP-NU split, I was totally disgusted by the NU at the last election when they bailed out the NRP. The results were predictable: fewer votes because the NRP sellouts didn't want to vote for the NU radicals and vice versa. They lost my vote. This time I could vote for NU. <BR/>Concerning schools, I've noticed that only in Yosh and Jerusalem are the mamlachti dati schools truly religious.<BR/>The dati-leumi community is coming of age now, struggling through adolescence. It's going to be rough until adulthood is reached.<BR/>Hashem Ya'azor (We've been saying that a lot lately.)<BR/>HadassaHadassa DeYounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253596063646903000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-85268273182534358552009-02-12T14:32:00.000+02:002009-02-12T14:32:00.000+02:00You don't need to be charmed by our message but th...You don't need to be charmed by our message but that is not the same as telling us to close shop.<BR/>I think one of the most important issues on the RZ table right now, is whether we will be able to overlook our differences and work effectively together or will the chasm deepen.Shimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00161801089483717975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-55922400754167822422009-02-12T14:28:00.000+02:002009-02-12T14:28:00.000+02:00Shimon, I'm rather immune to the charms of NRP. ...Shimon, I'm rather immune to the charms of NRP. I always was and I guess I'll always be. I hear a clear message/ideology from NU. It seems we're on different frequencies. <BR/><BR/>Shy, As I've said before, we ought to agree to disagree on certain topics.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-48318411345996293162009-02-12T08:53:00.000+02:002009-02-12T08:53:00.000+02:00What Shimon said.What Shimon said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-74803669960035929982009-02-12T08:35:00.000+02:002009-02-12T08:35:00.000+02:00If you can so easily dismiss the voters who did co...If you can so easily dismiss the voters who did come out to vote NRP, the almost identical amount of Ichud Leumi supporters can also be just as easily dismissed ....Shimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00161801089483717975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-32633536073215860332009-02-12T07:56:00.000+02:002009-02-12T07:56:00.000+02:00"Ain chadash"----------------That doesn't contradi...<I>"Ain chadash"</I><BR/>----------------<BR/><BR/>That doesn't contradict what I said. There are old, tried and true methods of dislodging political paperweights from power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-5432551729389533952009-02-12T07:18:00.000+02:002009-02-12T07:18:00.000+02:00"Ain chadash"Kohelet"Ain chadash"<BR/>KoheletBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-78973150129056044052009-02-12T07:08:00.000+02:002009-02-12T07:08:00.000+02:00Hashem Ya'azor-----------------"Mah titz'ak Ei'lai...<I>Hashem Ya'azor</I><BR/>-----------------<BR/><BR/>"Mah titz'ak Ei'lai?!" - last week's parsha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com