tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post4042246106023593976..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Thank G-d It's Fiction!!Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-18223052940675935902010-01-27T13:36:52.393+02:002010-01-27T13:36:52.393+02:00My (ex-Binyamin settler) video on Abe Foxman versu...My (ex-Binyamin settler) video on Abe Foxman versus Rush Limbaugh, Tutu, Obama, Mary Campbell, <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dg643EFW9oProphet from trailopen.comhttp://www.trailopen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-9282549979731755742010-01-15T06:01:09.465+02:002010-01-15T06:01:09.465+02:00Sabba Hillel, thank you for filling in the blanks....Sabba Hillel, thank you for filling in the blanks. You did it much better than I could have.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-36536905550370632422010-01-14T19:44:56.610+02:002010-01-14T19:44:56.610+02:00Batya, you should give the details.
Comment of R...Batya, you should give the details. <br /><br />Comment of Rashi on "they marched out chamusim". Tranlates literally "armed" or "in battle formation". However, it can also be read as one fifth from the root chamesh - 5.<br /><br />That says that 80% were buried during the final three days of darkness when the Egyptians could not move and could not see what was happening. Considering that Dasan and Aviram (the villains of the trek through the desert) <b>did</b> make it out alive, consider how serious about staying in Egypt the rest must have been.<br /><br />I also found the following at http://www.nishmat.net/article.php?id=92&heading=0<br /><br />--- Start quotation ------<br />Second, the more radical opinion in Rashi and the Mekhilta is that chamushim comes from the word for five, chamesh<3>, and that only one in five Jews left Egypt. In Rav Henkin's words, this approach explains the verse to mean that haShem "took into the desert those who did leave, because they were only a fifth: they were demoralized because the majority of their brethren had stayed behind"<4>. Only twenty percent of the Jews left Egypt! Believe it or not, the one-in-five opinion is the most conservative one in the Mekhilta. The full text reads:<br /><br /> Another opinion: "Chamushim went up" means one in five. Some say one in fifty. Some say one in five hundred. Rav Nehorai says: "[I swear by] the Temple Service! It was not one in five hundred that went out [but fewer]. It says, 'I made you into myriads like the grass of the field' (Yechezkel 15:7), and it says, 'The Children of Israel were fruitful and swarmed and multiplied and became huge' (Shemot 1:6) -- a woman would give birth to six at one time. And you say that one in five hundred went out?! [I swear by] the Temple Service! It was not one in five hundred that went out [but fewer]. Rather, many Jews died in Egypt. When did they die?During the three days of darkness, as it says, 'People could not see each other' (Shemot 10:23). They were burying their dead, and they thanked and praised haShem that their enemies could not see and rejoice at their downfall"<5>.<br /><br />Talk about depressing! This midrash asserts that the vast, vast majority of the Jewish people -- whether 80%, 98%, 99.8%, or even more -- did not leave Egypt.<br />------ End Quotation ------<br /><br />A further comment actually ties it to our time and helps us realize that we are <b>all</b> "Survivors"<br /><br />----- Start Quotation -----<br />In other words, Rav Schwab defuses the explosive numbers of the midrash by applying them to future generations. A variation of this approach is to apply the numbers to past generations<10>. Except, perhaps, for a few individuals (as Rav Schwab suggests above), all the Jews alive at the time of the Exodus left Egypt. This was truly cause for celebration. However, the vast majority of the Jews who had lived in Egypt over the previous 200 (or 400) years didn't make it to the finish line. Of all those millions of Jews who had hoped and prayed to be freed from slavery, only one in five (or one in fifty, or one in five hundred) actually left Egypt. According to this, "The Children of Israel went up from Egypt chamushim" means that the newly-freed slaves were sobered by the thought of all their relatives who had lived and died in Egypt. Perhaps it was the sight of Moshe (in the next verse) carrying Yosef's bones which triggered the realization that the Jews were not only free, they were survivors as well.<br />------ End Quotation --------Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08948061264564780402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-67136070802755322712010-01-14T12:39:25.937+02:002010-01-14T12:39:25.937+02:00Shmuel, no problem; the only Finkelstien I ever ca...Shmuel, no problem; the only Finkelstien I ever cared about was my Aunt Sadie!<br /><br />yc, but it's said that only 1/5 one fifth of Bnai Yisrael left Egypt.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-6822924736997468032010-01-14T12:34:30.801+02:002010-01-14T12:34:30.801+02:00R Leibtag has pointed out that God needed Paroah t...R Leibtag has pointed out that God needed Paroah to SEND Bnai Yisroel out, simply allowing for immigration to Cannan would not be enough, not many would leave without being SENT, driven out. <br />I hope I don't need to connect the dots for anyone.YChttp://twitter.com/makeforyourselfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-48102995146976980452010-01-14T12:06:06.163+02:002010-01-14T12:06:06.163+02:00I read it a while ago. It's an excellent book....I read it a while ago. It's an excellent book. But don't let Norman Finkelstein hear you say that http://torahfromzion.blogspot.com/2010/01/argument-over-norman-finklestein.htmlSam Sokolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05785019104347504625noreply@blogger.com