tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post3144001376942650928..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Celebrating Israeli Independence Day!Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-44072055443836109072011-05-06T15:23:48.262+03:002011-05-06T15:23:48.262+03:00Shy, I still have U.S. citizenship; I just don'...Shy, I still have U.S. citizenship; I just don't vote in the elections. <i>Maybe if someone nominates me for a realistic seat in Knesset...</i>Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-83757481473046692172011-05-06T15:04:15.264+03:002011-05-06T15:04:15.264+03:00Batya, if I'm not mistaken, unlike you, I have...Batya, if I'm not mistaken, unlike you, I have retained my US citizenship. I respect it and I appreciate what it grants me and my life growing up in the US.<br /><br />Forget about "loyalties". Elementary Hakarat Hatov.<br /><br />And not just for yourself but for it being a country which is a very decent home and caretaker to the 2nd largest Jewish population on the planet.<br /><br />There should be nothing to argue about here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-38521525106567282692011-05-06T11:40:25.028+03:002011-05-06T11:40:25.028+03:00Shy, living in Israel we don't have to prove a...Shy, living in Israel we don't have to prove anything about loyalties.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-20186142810626448762011-05-06T08:40:55.973+03:002011-05-06T08:40:55.973+03:00Anon, I think everyone is doing the wrong thing in...Anon, I think everyone is doing the wrong thing in your shul.<br /><br />First of all, halachically, there is much importance in honoring the diaspora country in which you live. And there's much good in America. Makes no difference whether the cup is half full or a quarter full, it is a blessed country and it gives you benefits and rights that Jews under the Czars and the Kaisers never had, and they said the blessings for their countries!<br /><br />If the Gabbai himself is so blatantly negative, then the shul should take a vote and decide whether to say it with dignity or not to say it at all.<br /><br />In the meantime, you and your husband are being Poresh Min Hatzibur. There is no justification in that.<br /><br />And here's a big shocker:<br /><br />G-d bless America.<br /><br />America is the country I was brought up in. It gave me rights and freedoms that no other country in the world throughout history ever granted its citizens.<br /><br />While I have a lot of loathing for American political policies against Israel for the last 50-60 years, a great proportion of people in America hold no harm against Israel - more so - a tremendous proportion actively support Israel.<br /><br />I suggest deploying a little bit more of that obligatory Jewish trait: Hakarat Hatov. Hashem gave the Jews a wonderful land to escape to at the end of our exile. Stop knocking it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-8196682113264065252011-05-06T05:59:06.938+03:002011-05-06T05:59:06.938+03:00a, just a bit of perspective. The American govt i...a, just a bit of perspective. The American govt is supposed to do what they think is best for the USA, and whether right or wrong that's what they do.<br />Unfortunately, the Israeli politicians do what they think will bring us praise, not what's best for our security and future.<br /><br />That's why the prayer asking that G-d bless them with wisdom is so important.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-32120473654283867272011-05-05T22:32:36.035+03:002011-05-05T22:32:36.035+03:00Shy:
Unfortunately we still live in US. Yes, the ...Shy:<br /><br />Unfortunately we still live in US. Yes, the prayer for the government is said in shul(Modern Orthodox)on Shabbos. My husband will not stand and maybe one or two others stay seated too. Once when the person leading services stated all should rise for prayer for the government, the gabbai who is very conservative said, "yemach schmo!" loud enough to bring gasps to some of the worshipers. I sit out of protest. I do not stand for evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-63909268143657101992011-05-05T20:11:14.764+03:002011-05-05T20:11:14.764+03:00a, when I'm there, I stand, but I "voted ...a, when I'm there, I stand, but I "voted with my feet" when I made aliyah in 1970.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-14153287901736323822011-05-05T09:08:05.427+03:002011-05-05T09:08:05.427+03:00Anon, do you live in the US?
Is a prayer for the ...Anon, do you live in the US?<br /><br />Is a prayer for the government said in your shul?<br /><br />Is it just you that sits?<br /><br />Do you sit out of protest or simply preference?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-11830456451241451872011-05-05T08:36:05.861+03:002011-05-05T08:36:05.861+03:00I don't stand for the prayer for the American ...I don't stand for the prayer for the American government..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com