tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post2114783871910434041..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Sitting Shiva Once AgainBatyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-44274902811615769452009-08-02T12:47:01.950+03:002009-08-02T12:47:01.950+03:00Hadassa, very well said. thanksHadassa, very well said. thanksBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-14148469446115042032009-08-02T12:40:18.447+03:002009-08-02T12:40:18.447+03:00Shalom!
Anonymous, several top military officers h...Shalom!<br />Anonymous, several top military officers have admitted in writings made public that the expulsion was purely political, and they knew it before the expulsion. Several warned against it. One either resigned or was ousted when he refused to agree with the expulsion.<br />Have the Arabs ever responded to gains of territory with anything other than increased attacks on the rest of Israel? <br />This was not a case of "eminent domain". The Israel government did not use the property taken for its own use. The Gaza Strip isn't even serving as a buffer zone. When "eminent domain" is used, a government does not give the land to a foreign government.<br /><br />Your first sentence does little to compensate for the ignorance and insensitivity of the rest of your comments. The "silver lining" to which you refer is twisted thinking at best. We should celebrate the ability to return Jewish land to Jews, not the "ability" to give it to the enemy.Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-3053487068188692282009-08-02T04:41:55.840+03:002009-08-02T04:41:55.840+03:00sigh. i dont consider my note disgusting [see the...sigh. i dont consider my note disgusting [see the opening words in my first comment, for example], just not in agreement with the sentiments generally expressed on this blog. <br />the "real reasons" for the disengagement have been batted around ad nauseum, and there is really no clear evidence in any direction; this is, in part, why there are so many views on the matter. we will never know if sharons original plan was correct since he unfortunately left the scene before his plan was complete, and he left an incompetent in his place. i do not believe that sharon gave up gk with the intention that the enemy should "bomb and murder one's citizens." <br />if the us can use eminent domain for a highway, it can be used to save lives [as understood by the govt at the time; see above re: "real reasons."] <br />i find the very idea that we have jewish-controlled land, with the even entertain-able option of being able to give it up, a cause for celebration, or at least a silver lining. <br />reading over my comments, i find no sinas chinam or 'mud-slinging.' just a different perspective. a little balance and respect, please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-74449796796837434242009-07-31T17:09:24.598+03:002009-07-31T17:09:24.598+03:00Shalom!
Jews committing anti-Jewish acts on Jewish...Shalom!<br />Jews committing anti-Jewish acts on Jewish land. Anonymous, do you really consider that to be a cause for celebration? Misuse of power is never a good thing. Misuse of power on those closest to oneself is even more despicable.<br />Check the archives for reports on the changes in health of the expellees from Yamit, Gush Katif and northern Shomron. The figures are there. I've read them in Hebrew. I don't know how much has been translated into English, so don't assume that if you can't find information in English that it's not there.Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-28104029285264329522009-07-31T13:07:27.611+03:002009-07-31T13:07:27.611+03:00How convenient that you sling mud hiding behind &q...How convenient that you sling mud hiding behind "Anonymous."<br /><br />You wrote, "..if you think it would have sent you to a nuthouse, there is really something wrong with you."<br />Well, I would prefer to err on the side of too much "ve'ahavta la'reacha k'mocha" than be apathetic as so many Jews today are.<br /><br />How sad that at the end of a fast held, among other reasons, to teach us the perils of "sinat chinam," you find it fitting to post such a disgusting note.Netivotgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00746343586043134996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-14410721804339566452009-07-31T12:27:34.335+03:002009-07-31T12:27:34.335+03:00a, you don't know what you're talking abou...a, you don't know what you're talking about. eminent domain is for a highways or hospitals, not to give enemy terrorists land to bomb and murder one's citizens.<br />And it's a known fact that stress fouls up, weakens the body which raises suseptibility to cancer.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-43289877474799548712009-07-31T11:39:18.760+03:002009-07-31T11:39:18.760+03:00muse, i blame the victims only insofar as they cau...muse, i blame the victims only insofar as they caused their own suffering. i do not blame those who left early in order to get the govt payoffs. the us has a similar policy -- called eminent domain. [i need to check hadassas info. for example, how does evacuation cause cancer?] <br />there are a number of reasons why the tragedy of gk is not as great as you are making it out to be. that it was jew-on-jew is a cause for celebration, as jews are able to do this in their own land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-53294117426117669192009-07-31T09:44:01.465+03:002009-07-31T09:44:01.465+03:00Shalom!
Anonymous, you're wrong on a few count...Shalom!<br />Anonymous, you're wrong on a few counts.<br />1) There are few greater tragedies than Jews expelling Jews from their homes on Jewish land for the purpose of giving that land to the enemy. True, this isn't the first time that it's happened - but that doesn't make it any less tragic. If anything it makes it worse. True, there have been many other tragedies on Tisha B'Av, including in Israel - but they were perpetrated by non-Jews.<br />2) Many expellees have required psychological treatment. Sometimes only a few conversations in order to sort out feelings and get back on track. Sometimes more. There were a few cases of hospitalization. Physical suffering has also been documented: miscarriages, heart attacks, increased incidences of cancer. The same happened after Yamit. Check the archives. <br />3) The residents who signed early are often worse off than those who waited until the end. Ganei Tal signed early and the government broke all promises. Signing early made future negotiations more difficult. Dugit, one of the few non-religious communities in Gush Katif, signed and left early and still the government did not fulfill promises made. I have had the dubious honor of translating many documents for the Committee of Gush Katif Communities and I can tell you without a doubt, signing or leaving early did not improve anyone's situation. In general, those who stayed and fought the expulsion are doing much better socially and mentally than those who didn't.<br />Netivotgirl, G-d willing we'll be your neighbor's once again. Keep writing. More people need to hear.<br />Hadassa DeYoung, K'far Darom/Elon MorehHadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-956469207400756662009-07-31T06:18:18.872+03:002009-07-31T06:18:18.872+03:00a, how dare you blame the victims!?
Disengagement ...a, how dare you blame the victims!?<br />Disengagement was done by Jews against Jews. That makes it among the worst of atrocities!!<br /><br />Netivotgirl, thank you for writing.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-40818660799361297942009-07-31T01:48:17.495+03:002009-07-31T01:48:17.495+03:00the gush katif evacuation brought me to tears then...the gush katif evacuation brought me to tears then, and it does now. horrible stuff. but if you think it would have sent you to a nuthouse, there really is something wrong with you. jews have survived far far worse. gk was not as great a tragedy when seen from the perspective of jewish history.<br />and as i understand it, the gushies would have gotten much more if they had left at an earlier date, so to an extent, their lack of compensation is their own fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com