tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post1120408994293121684..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Since When is Norway Such an Expert on Morality and Religion?Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-16840223962265909432012-08-08T22:34:49.357+03:002012-08-08T22:34:49.357+03:00Ahh... we did it before Bat Mitzvah, only if the w...Ahh... we did it before Bat Mitzvah, only if the wanted, and my daughter plans on doing the same.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-24718538271776340692012-08-08T15:19:24.674+03:002012-08-08T15:19:24.674+03:00Are they also going to ban the barbarous practice ...Are they also going to ban the barbarous practice of piercing little girls' earlobes? This disgusting custom of making holes in the body so that foreign objects can be inserted in, or dangled from those holes, has <b>got</b> to stop. And while some practitioners admit that infants are incapable of consenting, assuming that a two, three, or five year-old girl is capable of agreeing, a responsible parent should know that these same girls would happily jump off houses and try to fly.Eliyahu S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07094233217529086407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-40041748568917731962012-08-08T07:39:42.294+03:002012-08-08T07:39:42.294+03:00Hugh, obviously you're among the anti-circumci...Hugh, obviously you're among the anti-circumcision crowd. Sorry, I'm not interested. I'm a Torah Jew and you're not my expert.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-45545321565464694802012-08-08T07:37:19.248+03:002012-08-08T07:37:19.248+03:00I was answering "it's a medically recomme...I was answering "it's a medically recommended procedure in the western world." It is not.<br /><br />"12% is a very high number..."<br />That includes religious - mainly Muslim - circumcision, and the Australian figure is falling.<br />"...for such a voluntary procedure."<br />No baby volunteers for it.<br /><br />"There's the memory of it." Taddio et al. found circumcised babies reacted differently to the pain of vaccination, months later. The body remembers.Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01626096729466629067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-13965125043417387192012-08-08T07:25:02.871+03:002012-08-08T07:25:02.871+03:00I don't need any national medical organization...I don't need any national medical organizations to approve Jewish Law. National and international organizations never protected Jews against any form of discrimination, even during Nazi time. 12% is a very high number for such a voluntary procedure.<br />Of course adult, or even child, circumcision is more traumatic than infant. There's the memory of it.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-4872523793754138812012-08-08T07:07:41.831+03:002012-08-08T07:07:41.831+03:00No national medical association in the world recom...No national medical association in the world recommends infant circumcision, some condemn it, and the WHO only recommends VOLUNTARY ADULT male circumcision in areas of HIGH HIV PREVALENCE (based on some dubious studies). <br /><br />Though it became fashionable in the English-speaking world in the mid-20th century, it is now rare in Australia (about 12% of babies are circumcised nationwide, much less in some states) and very rare in New Zealand - it's hard to find a doctor willing to do it - and there have been no outbreaks of any of the ailments it was supposed to be good against. Only in the USA are a majority of babies still circumcised non-religiously.<br /><br />Whatever "all experts know", no studies have shown circumcision to be more complicated, painful or traumatic in adults. On the contrary, a tiny mistake on a baby is magnified when he grows up, sometimes disastrously affecting his love life. Even when done "properly" there is no dotted line and no guarantee that he will not suffer particular harm.<br /><br />Be careful who you quote. The article you cite is copyright to the pro-circumcision Gilgal Society, wnose head <a href="http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Croydon-circumcision-campaigner-caught-child-porn/story-15866127-detail/story.html" rel="nofollow">was convicted earlier this year for possessing child pornography</a>.Hughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01626096729466629067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-61309217821697512572012-08-07T11:30:06.037+03:002012-08-07T11:30:06.037+03:00a, we follow it because it's G-d's laws, b...a, we follow it because it's G-d's laws, but those who oppose it understand a different language.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-42702495856912102982012-08-07T10:31:14.503+03:002012-08-07T10:31:14.503+03:00Millions of people doing something proves nothing ...Millions of people doing something proves nothing (yes they can and have been wrong, many times), nor does another religion or thousands of years of a tradition, or medical recommendations. <br /><br />The Torah commands us to perform a brit on male babies. Period. Referring to anything outside of it does not strengthen the argument but weakens it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com