tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post6827772635512721360..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Ehud Barak-No Mandate! Why Is He Ruling?Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-27391252572824038302012-04-07T20:33:51.525+03:002012-04-07T20:33:51.525+03:00Norman, forget the 2 party system. It won't w...Norman, forget the 2 party system. It won't work here and isn't representative of the voters' views.<br /><br />goyish, I was never in Bnai Akiva. Davka, they have the hardest time going NU instead of NRP.<br /><br />Amichai, G-d willing, but NU will need to open up and change mind-set.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-88615073907072384292012-04-06T13:34:17.766+03:002012-04-06T13:34:17.766+03:00I voted for NU. I also voted in the Likud (aka Lic...I voted for NU. I also voted in the Likud (aka Licouldn't) primary for Feiglin. I will continue to do so because I feel there is no alternative. The major parties can conspire to keep a small or even not so small party out of the coalition. How do you propose to get people who were not in Bnai Akiva or the shieblach or whatever to vote for NU. The Israeli voter considers a party as his clubhouse, and he will not vote for a party that does not contain at least some of the fans of his favorite football team. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. Do you know how to change that? I don't. Maybe the way to go is to infiltrate the Labor Party and get people in the Knesset there. Feiglin points out that Mofaz got the leadership of Kadima away from Tsippy Livni using recruited Arab votes which will never vote for Kadima in the general election. It's a crazy system and I don't know how to play it. Deri tried to buy in and and so did some others, but that didn't work either. Your opinion is fine, but it doesn't work.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-83128344547113944972012-04-06T12:35:04.739+03:002012-04-06T12:35:04.739+03:00Batya and Amihai - good points. Still if Israel we...Batya and Amihai - good points. Still if Israel were to move in the direction of a two or three party system, I'd like to see NU become one of the other parties. Its not enough to change the Likud from within, people must also help to change it from the outside. There are a lot of good people who love the Land Of Israel. Its necessary to strengthen them wherever they are. I'm convinced in the end, all the hard work will bear fruit just as the struggle to throw off Pharaoh's oppression bore fruit. I think both of the things I mentioned will have to be done for the future.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13617524186967828711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-12946440372278614172012-04-06T10:38:10.208+03:002012-04-06T10:38:10.208+03:00Today, a united true real right-wing party in Isra...Today, a united true real right-wing party in Israel, based on the NU, would be able to get easily as many as 25 seats in the Knesset.<br />Which would make it one of the 3 bigger parties.Amihainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-45912125017720506112012-04-06T06:44:38.803+03:002012-04-06T06:44:38.803+03:00Norman, that's a myth spouted by Feiglin peopl...Norman, that's a myth spouted by Feiglin people. There's no reason why a party that has such an accepted ideology should be sidelined. Think of all the leftist seats and the amount of Right voters who voted Lieberman.<br /><br />NU has great potential.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-1374386660850351022012-04-06T06:44:38.289+03:002012-04-06T06:44:38.289+03:00Norman, that's a myth spouted by Feiglin peopl...Norman, that's a myth spouted by Feiglin people. There's no reason why a party that has such an accepted ideology should be sidelined. Think of all the leftist seats and the amount of Right voters who voted Lieberman.<br /><br />NU has great potential.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-75790419385122259342012-04-05T23:19:47.706+03:002012-04-05T23:19:47.706+03:00The NU is a fine party but it has no chance of win...The NU is a fine party but it has no chance of winning more than a few seats in the future. A lot of the people on the Likud list owe their being there to the work Feiglin has done. Having a third of the membership is nothing to ridicule. Determined minorities can exert far more influence than passive majorities do. Having a strong Land Of Israel contingent inside the Likud helps to push the party in the right direction.<br /><br />As for Barak, I'm reminded that no one in Judea and Samaria voted for him to run the lives of the Jews there. The IDF has no business managing civil affairs and property-related transactions. This should be moved to the relevant civilian Israeli ministries. The IDF's only mission should be to defend Israel, not to run the lives of the Jewish population in Judea and Samaria.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13617524186967828711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-38001788307097986862012-04-05T21:03:20.015+03:002012-04-05T21:03:20.015+03:00a, enough time and votes and energy have been wast...a, enough time and votes and energy have been wasted trying to implement Feiglin's thesis that he can change the Likud from the inside. It's a bust, a failure. He'll use your votes to cushion Ehud Barak.<br />Cut your losses and support a real Zionist pro-Land of Israel for Jews party.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-79318885437284425832012-04-05T20:08:29.894+03:002012-04-05T20:08:29.894+03:00I don't agree Israel needs a sectoral party th...I don't agree Israel needs a sectoral party that will never attain power. The Likud can and must be changed. It may be a long time before that happens and this work is too important to relinquish. Hence Manhigut Yehudit.<br /><br />As for Barak'a Azmaut party, no one elected it and he is basically a Defense Minister with no real constituency. He should not be allowed to implement his own set of policies in the Israeli government.<br /><br />When all is said and done though, Bibi bears the responsibility for the expulsion of Jews from Machepela. The act was not to secure the rule of law or justice. It was simply cynical police power used against peaceful citizens whose purchase of the property infringed on no one's rights and never endangered security.<br /><br />And Israel needs to hang its head in shame at the affront done to its ancestors. Let this Pesach be an opportunity to reconnect with the roots of the Jewish people to avert incident like the one that occurred yesterday from happening in the future.<br /><br />Happy Holidays!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-122643042401033542012-04-05T12:27:04.191+03:002012-04-05T12:27:04.191+03:00Yonatan, great. The point is to stand up for prin...Yonatan, great. The point is to stand up for principles not to "get a Volvo" the perks of being a minister. The larger NU the more it can do, and its job is to reign in the govt, not be gagged by coalition agreements.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-42417969607156438612012-04-05T09:37:18.723+03:002012-04-05T09:37:18.723+03:00It's illegal because Barak has to sign off on ...It's illegal because Barak has to sign off on any JEWISH purchase in Hebron or J & S, apparently. The purchase is legal, but he didn't approve it. This is a ridiculous situation.<br /><br />Also Barak said "I will continue to act in order to maintain the rule of law and democracy while guaranteeing the authority of the State over its citizens." The only thing guaranteeing the authority of the state over its citizens is our allowing this to be so. We permit the government to rule, but we can also revoke that permission if the government is not ruling in our favor. We do this peacefully by electing members that will rule faithfully. Electing NU sounds like a promising way to go, as I have taken note of their actions over the last number of years. The stand up for what is right and fight against what is wrong. I will vote NU in the next election.Yonatannoreply@blogger.com