tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post5322843711331943284..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Is Money the Key to Promoting Aliyah?Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-73721205893059888722011-05-17T06:33:46.581+03:002011-05-17T06:33:46.581+03:00Robert, good luck; let us know when you're her...Robert, good luck; let us know when you're here.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-20498474488151265132011-05-16T23:58:50.628+03:002011-05-16T23:58:50.628+03:00Batya,
Of course living in Israel is a different ...Batya,<br /><br />Of course living in Israel is a different element. That is why I want to be there! <br /><br />I was there in Sept 2008. It reminded me of Home...and also Southern California (which was also home). The oddest feelings I ever had in my life. <br /><br />There simply is no comparison between Israel or going back to California, or London or Rome or any other place in the world. Hence the reason why I will be doing the aliyah.Robertcw72https://www.blogger.com/profile/09879192281822220004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-41998976828394710732011-05-14T20:32:39.862+03:002011-05-14T20:32:39.862+03:00Shy, Robert, of course one should make aliyah with...Shy, Robert, of course one should make aliyah with one's eyes open and realistic expectations and live within one's income. That should be done wherever one moves to.<br />Living here has a different element, too.<br />Also, unlike choosing between, LA, NY or London, here it should be a matter of this is what I'll have, I'll have to fit myself to it.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-27637876482406627642011-05-13T23:19:19.265+03:002011-05-13T23:19:19.265+03:00I agree with Shy Guy...I am working on my aliyah a...I agree with Shy Guy...I am working on my aliyah and finances are a huge part of the equation. <br /><br />I recongize, and have been told enough, that I should expect to have to lower my expectation emigrating and I accept that, but I want to at least minimize the impact. <br /><br />But, I am not used to having a simpler life, I don't even know what that is, to be honest. <br /><br />But it wont stop me from making the aliyah, it might just mean I delay it a couple of years. The important part is that at least I will be back in Israel.Robertcw72https://www.blogger.com/profile/09879192281822220004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-30529421156503764272011-05-12T21:55:43.193+03:002011-05-12T21:55:43.193+03:00Hadassa, refresh yourself on the RAMBAM regarding ...Hadassa, refresh yourself on the RAMBAM regarding the 3 main reasons why one is allowed to leave Israel even permanently if need be. Even more so if those same 3 reasons prevent someone living in Chul from making aliyah.<br /><br />Your comparison of Shabbat and Yishuv Eretz Yisrael is apples and oranges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-16291151837740269452011-05-12T20:36:12.573+03:002011-05-12T20:36:12.573+03:00a, once you rate mitzvot "socially" you&...a, once you rate mitzvot "socially" you've lost me.<br />and of course living in Israel-The HolyLand, like Shabbat, is ranked high. There are many mitzvot that only can be done if you're in the HolyLand.<br />Maoz, amenBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-3502875376412519192011-05-12T19:38:47.139+03:002011-05-12T19:38:47.139+03:00Since when do we rate mitzvot according to [our no...Since when do we rate mitzvot according to [our notions of] relative importance?MAOZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-90336227315354320242011-05-12T18:56:15.544+03:002011-05-12T18:56:15.544+03:00because, hadassa, the mitzva of living in israel d...because, hadassa, the mitzva of living in israel does not come close in importance to keeping shabbos.<br />this is true halachically and socially.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-50312469234549593892011-05-12T18:14:50.958+03:002011-05-12T18:14:50.958+03:00I think that the real reason we stayed is because ...I think that the real reason we stayed is because we never considered any other option.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-4393769357908876662011-05-12T17:39:49.558+03:002011-05-12T17:39:49.558+03:00Shalom!
Shy Guy, do they keep Shabbat? How is it t...Shalom!<br />Shy Guy, do they keep Shabbat? How is it that breaking Shabbat in order to make a living isn't acceptable, but leaving Israel is?Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-61544367601750640842011-05-12T11:27:43.219+03:002011-05-12T11:27:43.219+03:00Hadassa, I was referring to people I know who trie...Hadassa, I was referring to people I know who tried and failed. I was not excluding other possibilities.<br /><br />I have seen people give their blood, sweat and tears in their determination to stay and they left broken-hearted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-77718540798760581442011-05-12T07:21:46.297+03:002011-05-12T07:21:46.297+03:00where i am, what i am accustomed to, is the norm. ...where i am, what i am accustomed to, is the norm. change is an abnormality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-894795524601546832011-05-12T05:28:30.806+03:002011-05-12T05:28:30.806+03:00It seems like many of you consider living abroad t...It seems like many of you consider living abroad the "norm" and Israel an abnormality. You also forget that many people, even in the USA struggle so financially they barely survive month to month.<br /><br />Friends who made aliyah with a few young kids and had many more here said:<br />"It was obvious that life would be a financial struggle, so we decided that we'd rather struggle in Israel."<br /><br />There's the religious element in making the decision to lie in the Land of Israel. It's a mitzvah. Don't forget that.<br /><br />Don't move to areas full of other immigrants. Transplanted Teanek isn't the culture and doesn't follow "lech lecha me'artzecha, me beit avicha..." "leave, get going from your land, your father's house..."Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-50325345606205401452011-05-12T01:39:22.280+03:002011-05-12T01:39:22.280+03:00im with shy. making aliyah without a plan is irre...im with shy. making aliyah without a plan is irresponisble. hadassah, you are essentially asking people to downsize. well, you have to go in expecting that. <br />and batya, if you want to sell aliyah [hey, i bought...] you would do well to be able to articulate why. as an accountants daughter i would think this would be a no-brainer for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-8472646451457503022011-05-11T23:11:54.035+03:002011-05-11T23:11:54.035+03:00Shalom!
I disagree with the "lack of effort a...Shalom!<br />I disagree with the "lack of effort and motivation" claim. I know people who left Israel because they said they couldn't afford it. What they wouldn't admit is that:<br />They insisted on living only in high-rent areas.<br />They refused to change their buying habits, including buying many imported food products.<br />They refused to cut back on their entertainment/restaurant expenses.<br />They couldn't increase their job skills because they wouldn't learn Hebrew well enough.<br /><br />It's true that the high taxes in Israel are a huge burden, but that's only part of the story.<br />I've seen it over and over again: people determined to stay, stay. And the others kvetch about how hard it is to make a living and leave.Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-40365928073289014142011-05-11T22:26:00.529+03:002011-05-11T22:26:00.529+03:00There are a lot of money matters involved with mov...There are a lot of money matters involved with moving to and living in Israel. It is not fair to dismiss them.<br /><br />The total tax bite out of ones salary in Israel goes to feed a bloated monster of a bureaucracy. It is not conducive to work or investment.<br /><br />Yes, it's great to live a simpler life and no, one doesn't need to strive for US standards of luxury and comfort. Nevertheless, a lot of people have come with with all intentions to succeed and wound up with nothing but overdraft through no lack of effort and motivation of their own.<br /><br />If half the government were chopped off, we could adjust with a lot more money in our pockets, a lot less taxes to pay and a lot of incentive for more people to move their businesses here without having to lure them with gimmicks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com