tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post4042392630129870957..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Celebrating Israeli Independence Day, 5771, aka 2011Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-21341100898424431592011-05-11T19:40:27.591+03:002011-05-11T19:40:27.591+03:00fine with mefine with meBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-37636361777949355012011-05-11T18:41:15.652+03:002011-05-11T18:41:15.652+03:00I have no problem with Imber's original words,...I have no problem with Imber's original words, even if not 100% perfect. Even Rav Kook weaved those words into his rendition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-23429249241098246352011-05-11T17:08:27.859+03:002011-05-11T17:08:27.859+03:00Shy, so it should be something like "lihiyot ...Shy, so it should be something like "lihiyot Yehudim b'artzeinu?"Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-70347024820265264052011-05-11T09:49:50.768+03:002011-05-11T09:49:50.768+03:00Hadassa, thanks for that INN link. Here's anot...Hadassa, thanks for that INN link. Here's another:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.lookstein.org/resources/hatikvah1.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>Rav Kook's Response to Hatikvah</b></a><br /><br />Make sure to follow the links at the bottom of the article, especially the one of Al Jolson singing Hatikvah with Imber's original words and in Mivtah Ashkenaziss to top! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-75295070658091316312011-05-11T09:19:56.028+03:002011-05-11T09:19:56.028+03:00Leah, my gripe has alway been with the claim "...Leah, my gripe has alway been with the claim "Lihiyot Am Chofshi", not with the word "Artzeinu".<br /><br />My goal not to be here for the sake of independence but for to use independence as a means to a much greater goal, alluded to in Imber's reference to King David's Jerusalem.<br /><br />There was a strong intent when the words were changed in the 1930s. The people who made those changes and what they represented do not represent me.<br /><br />Anonymous, the reality is that Yom Ha'atzmaut is one of the most divisive days of the year among religiously observant Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-17536222634606312532011-05-11T04:27:27.247+03:002011-05-11T04:27:27.247+03:00Hadassa, it's one of those things that's n...Hadassa, it's one of those things that's not going to change and not worth fighting about.<br /><br />a, amen, thanksBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-46689752523951039362011-05-11T01:29:56.022+03:002011-05-11T01:29:56.022+03:00one of the best things about yom haatzmaut is that...one of the best things about yom haatzmaut is that we can put aside all of our differences [and they are important!] and take stock of ourselves, what we have done and accomplished, and be damn proud. <br />well done, batya!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-82083351981885382282011-05-11T00:45:46.435+03:002011-05-11T00:45:46.435+03:00Shalom!
Rav Kook wrote "The Faith" http:...Shalom!<br />Rav Kook wrote "The Faith" http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/144053<br />in answer to "The Hope".Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-79333493277274686782011-05-10T18:44:37.334+03:002011-05-10T18:44:37.334+03:00Asher, glad you like it.
Shy, I'll have to sta...Asher, glad you like it.<br />Shy, I'll have to start adding it. I've had no problem getting used to Hebrew months, but the years are "Greek" to me.<br />Leah, Shy, there are pros and cons to both versions. A simple "artzeinu" includes "avoteinu." And by singing "artzeinu" it implies that the Land had been deserted by Jews, which wasn't the case.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-59428609429597968882011-05-10T16:19:20.077+03:002011-05-10T16:19:20.077+03:00Batya, that's beautiful.
Shy Guy, I can und...Batya, that's beautiful. <br /><br />Shy Guy, I can understand your feelings, but I would favor a combination of the words. Imber's original words, while recognizing that Eretz Yisrael is the land of our fathers, accept the idea that we could return to it and live under foreign rule. do you see anything there contradicting that? also I think "the 2000-year hope" is better than "the old hope" (which could be just for a century or two and still be "נושנה").<br /><br />so I would recommend a combination such as: the modern words, but the 3rd line of the 2nd verse should be <br />להיות עם חופשי בארץ אבותינו<br />instead of just "בארצנו".Leah, Maaleh Adumimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-1531680740065822792011-05-10T12:34:26.091+03:002011-05-10T12:34:26.091+03:00To correct the text for the YouTube video, those a...To correct the text for the YouTube video, those are not the original words from Naftali Hertz Imber. These are:<br /><br />כָּל עוֹד בַּלֵּבָב פְּנִימָה<br />נֶפֶש יְהוּדִי הוֹמִיָּה,<br />וּלְפַאֲתֵי מִזְרָח קָדִימָה<br />עֵינוֹ לְצִיּוֹן צוֹפִיָּה.<br /><br />עוֹד לֹא אָבְדָה תִּקְוָתֵנוּ,<br />הַתִּקְוָה הַנּוֹשָׁנָה:<br />לָשׁוּב לְאֶרֶץ אֲבוֹתֵינוּ,<br />לָעִיר בָּהּ דָּוִד חָנָה.<br /><br />Notice the difference(s)? Ask yourselves why it was changed. I have not and will not sing the anthem until the original words are restored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-13094801015550299422011-05-10T12:29:15.771+03:002011-05-10T12:29:15.771+03:00It should say "Celebrating Israeli Independen...It should say "Celebrating Israeli Independence Day, <b>5771</b>", no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-55599482328299636492011-05-10T12:00:32.356+03:002011-05-10T12:00:32.356+03:00That's a terrific rendition of Hatikvah. I jus...That's a terrific rendition of Hatikvah. I just added the video to my blog as well. Thanks for sharing it :)Asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493556247769393437noreply@blogger.com