tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post1641420506602389582..comments2024-03-27T16:27:03.093+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Jiminy Cricket, The National Union!Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-53569216375057521182009-03-19T06:00:00.000+02:002009-03-19T06:00:00.000+02:00goyish, we can't just wait and vote for Feiglin. ...goyish, we can't just wait and vote for Feiglin. Feiglin has done nothing to <B>win over</B> the Likud. He totally goofed in his tactics, and he ruined things for others.<BR/><BR/>There are some good people in Likud, even among the MK's, and they don't work with Feiglin for good reason. <BR/><BR/>The media is the key now. Unfortunately, Israel Media Watch has totally failed in its aim of creating a more objective and professional media here.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-532442014374177212009-03-19T00:25:00.000+02:002009-03-19T00:25:00.000+02:00The big question is, what will it take to get the ...The big question is, what will it take to get the public to take a position which we see as being pretty much the only one compatible with the facts on the ground? It takes an evolutionary process of a lot of kids being born and reaching adulthood while the older electorate moves on. We all know that the population is going to be more religious and more right-wing. Moshe Feiglin points out that it will probably take a good 20 years. That means that it will require today's babies to reach voting age. When the sea-change happens, and it will, I have no problems about who leads it. It can be the Likud, the Ichud Leuma, or an Avodat Hashem faction of baalei teshuva in the Labor party. Whatever it is can be led by people we know or people we have never heard of. Just let it happen. Meanwhile I keep voting in the primaries for Manhigut Yehudit.goyisherebbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380171052449799815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-57680539192397771152009-03-18T14:28:00.000+02:002009-03-18T14:28:00.000+02:00Joe, you're right. The public wants a right wing ...Joe, you're right. The public wants a right wing government, but the politicians listen to the media.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-56436573480543282462009-03-18T13:15:00.000+02:002009-03-18T13:15:00.000+02:00The problem is that the Likud never offers a right...The problem is that the Likud never offers a right-wing solution, just the status quo or a leftwing solution. The problem isn't with the NU sicking to its ideology, but with the Likud constantly betraying theirs.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, the "Right" as a whole did extremely well, as the public wants a RW ideological solution implemented - and that is exactly why the Likud lost seats to the right.<BR/><BR/>The right can govern, but some in it don't want to.<BR/><BR/>See more in depth on <A HREF="http://joesettler.blogspot.com/2009/03/caroline-glick-makes-mistake.html" REL="nofollow">JoeSettler</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-87739853111480162352009-03-18T06:23:00.000+02:002009-03-18T06:23:00.000+02:00Keli, thanks for the additional points. You're so...Keli, thanks for the additional points. You're so right in that it takes an idealist to create something great.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246929075812590204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-51773765109081865002009-03-18T04:50:00.000+02:002009-03-18T04:50:00.000+02:00A comment from the peanut gallery in the US:)If id...A comment from the peanut gallery in the US:)<BR/><BR/>If idealists were ineffective the United States would not currently exist. Was it perfect in implementing its values and ideals in 1776? No. <BR/><BR/>But it set the foundation.<BR/><BR/>Same with Israel. Not perfect but its founders had ideals, values; they knew where they stood and where they wanted to go, so beautifully conveyed in your national anthem.<BR/><BR/>It's been a nation built on the Torah and Zionism. What party currently has those values? The more and more I read about Netanyahu the more he seems like someone who licks his finger, holds it up and tries to decide which way the wind the is blowing.<BR/><BR/>That's the direction he'll go in.<BR/><BR/>With political advisors why can't the NU be successful?<BR/><BR/>I agree with you 100-percent, Batya.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-35068920809590376262009-03-17T19:19:00.000+02:002009-03-17T19:19:00.000+02:00Yoni, great example, thanks!Yoni, great example, thanks!Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-19549853360766750132009-03-17T19:17:00.000+02:002009-03-17T19:17:00.000+02:00a, are you all the same or different? well, any w...a, are you all the same or different? well, any way, a's I agree.<BR/><BR/>comrade, very trueBatyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-22431299480540376442009-03-17T19:15:00.000+02:002009-03-17T19:15:00.000+02:00Batya, I agree with you 100%. This is an ideologic...Batya, I agree with you 100%. This is an ideological war against the return of the People of Israel to its Land. The more we compromised, the more our standing in the world deteriorated - it is not a coincidence that after the expulsion from Gush Katif, anti-Semitism went sharply up in the world. In contrast, our standing in the world was at its height after the 6-day war, despite the shrieks of the (then) marginals from the extreme left. As Winston Churchill told Chamberlain some 70 years ago. "You had to choose between dishonour and war...you chose dishonour, you got war".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-22100760354927434402009-03-17T18:58:00.000+02:002009-03-17T18:58:00.000+02:00I wrote about the whole release mess as well--and ...I wrote about the whole release mess as well--and I stand by the opinion, no actually, FACT that releasing terrorists is a huge mistake.<BR/><BR/>The government's strategy is to release Barghouti to "offset" the Hamas releasals, but it's another doomed strategy.<BR/><BR/>Both Hamas and Fatah/PLO are terrorist organizations who want to wipe the Jewish state off of the map, and until the powers that be accept that fact, every other policy will fail.<BR/><BR/>Destroy Hamas, PLO, Fatah, PFLP, Islamic Jihad, and every other terrorist group--and then let's sit down and discuss the prospects of peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-91930436726389545812009-03-17T16:45:00.000+02:002009-03-17T16:45:00.000+02:00Comment #1 (Anonymous), Torah is not an ideology. ...Comment #1 (Anonymous), Torah is not an ideology. Retaining possession of our land is not ideology. It is our covenant. You can do what is right if you've got enough support in the Knesset. The reason there is not enough support in the Knesset to do what is right is not the fault of NU or any party committed to doing what is right. It is the fault of the voting public who consistently vote for parties that refuse to do what is right or worse, do what is morally repugnant; even traitorous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-25772403640992762542009-03-17T16:38:00.000+02:002009-03-17T16:38:00.000+02:00Perhaps this Talkback (to Caroline Glick's piece) ...Perhaps this Talkback (to Caroline Glick's piece) has it right:<BR/><BR/>Talkback #27. Caroline Glick's Blind Spot <BR/><BR/>Caroline Glick is lucid insightful and evidence based in most of her writing. When it comes to Binyamin Netanyahu however she goes Ga-Ga She ignores his previous attempts to betray his own power base, his peridy and lies when he was negotiating the Golan,surrended Hevron , crumbled at Annapoli , equvocated at developing Har Homa, and manipulated and betrayed his own part primaries in the best Sharon tradition. And this person who is still trying to inveigle the opposition parties to be his allies so that he will not have to take into account his own core constituany Caroline Glick wants <BR/>Mottel Greenbaum - Australia (03/17/2009 14:38)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-43976831665000958412009-03-17T13:00:00.000+02:002009-03-17T13:00:00.000+02:00"Politics is the art of compromise" is a fallacy. ..."Politics is the art of compromise" is a fallacy. There are some things that cannot and must not be compromised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-90568214676430547972009-03-17T09:53:00.000+02:002009-03-17T09:53:00.000+02:00Yes, I understand that, and I still disagree with ...Yes, I understand that, and I still disagree with her. The Israeli political system is geared to a certain amount of ideologues in the Knesset. Actually the guy leading Meretz said it well from the Left.<BR/><BR/>If being a politican means that your job is to compromise, you need a strong ideologue to make sure you don't bend too far. That's the job of the NU. If it can be done from the coalition, fine, if not, I have no problem with it being outside of temptation.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-83559474471774076472009-03-17T09:32:00.000+02:002009-03-17T09:32:00.000+02:00what glick is saying is that NU is made up of ideo...what glick is saying is that NU is made up of ideologues, not politicians. there is a vast difference. this is why NU will be largely ineffective in knesset. you can choose to vote ideology, or vote to get things done. just because you are right doesnt mean you can move things along in the right direction.<BR/>the ideology-practicality dilemma is not new for the israeli voter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com