tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post1106832408574535023..comments2024-03-18T21:09:03.146+02:00Comments on Shiloh Musings: Israeli History Began Thousands of Years AgoBatyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-28303330516685101102010-02-26T07:17:38.394+02:002010-02-26T07:17:38.394+02:00Hadassa, re: "hasbara," whatever term us...Hadassa, re: "hasbara," whatever term used for it, we're failing.<br /><br />and about "zachor" in different languages: Today, at least in the English-speaking world, Hebrew comprehension, and Jewish History knowledge, are going down, so there should be an effort to translate and explain the special portion. <i>The problem is that it's a tough concept for many rabbis, going against pc ideologies.</i>Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-7229569366471625952010-02-25T20:11:13.817+02:002010-02-25T20:11:13.817+02:00Shalom!
I prefer to think in terms of education ra...Shalom!<br />I prefer to think in terms of education rather than explanation, which is the literal meaning of hasbara. IMHO the term hasbara was a bad choice of words.<br />Like it or not, Aramaic has a special status determined by the Sages and is considered to have a certain degree of holiness, unlike any other language other than Hebrew, THE Holy Tongue. Perhaps translations are best incorporated into a drasha given before or after the Tora reading?Hadassanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-25912990892540704972010-02-24T23:44:27.165+02:002010-02-24T23:44:27.165+02:00Corrected to Esther, thanks
Zachor is read in var...Corrected to Esther, thanks<br /><br />Zachor is read in various accents, to make it more comprehensible. Why shouldn't an additional "reading" be a translation? Don't call it a "reading;" call it a translation.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-53632302115816867602010-02-24T22:56:07.825+02:002010-02-24T22:56:07.825+02:00Originally the operson called up to the Torah read...Originally the operson called up to the Torah read the portion of the Torah he was called up to. Technically the Torah is not actually part of the davening really. But that doesn't mean people should be ignoring it.<br /><br />To avoid arguments and implicit embarassment the rule was sinsttuted that only men over 13 read and first a Kohen reads and then a Levi and not a Kohen after a Kohen. Then it became universal for someone to read ionstead of everyone.<br /><br />Maybe around then the transaltion was instituted in Bavel. That could be maybe 1700 year ago or more. <br /><br />When the Torah used to be translated, the Torah reader would read one Posuk and the Meturgemen would translate that verse, the Torah reader would read one verse and it again would be translated and so on. I think this was dione ina way so as to not have an official text of the translation - at least it shouldn't look that way.<br /><br />But when this was stopped because nobody understood Aramaic any more - when they stopped understanding it would be when Arabic replaced Aramnaic as the vernacular in most of Bavel circa 750-825 and when the Jewish population grew in Italy and in western Europe. At some point they stopped and I don't know exactly why but they duidn't replace it with other languages maybe because theer was no authoritative translation they could use. So the Torah reading did lose a lot of its value but it could have that value now in Israel except people who know nothing generally don't attend I guess and I wonder how much attention is paid and if it is loud.<br /><br />What every must understand: That there is such a thing as Sinas Chinam. - hatred for nothing. If there is Hasbara that must be the number one element of it. <br /><br />Interestingly people understand that a little, but not enough and they tend to think it can only happen in the developed world. No people theer are no dfferent tahn people in Germany. Not that they are no different in the sense they are evil, but they are no different in the sense that anything evil can happen whether their countries have a low GDP or high. This point cannot be overemphasized. <br /><br />The point probably isn't made because too many secular people don't beleive it themselves. They either believe that the hatred is justified or that it is not real. <br /><br />But any fool can see it is not justified because it is full of lies. Now it is also not true that everybody believes the lies but disbelief is always private, and the culture is full of it. And what goes on in the public sphere matters.<br /><br />No possible compromises by israe can bring about peace until this hatred for nothing is gone,m and it must disappear FIRST and with no preconditions attached. I think someone would laugh at the idea of negotiating this. <br /><br />Israel has actually put things like this in its treaties but of course it is useless and ignored.<br /><br />So anyone who wants peace must go to Arabs and say: Stop lying about Israel, defend Israel against false attacks, and rebiuke peopel who make them, and don't use a different standard of morality with regard to Israel than you do for anyone else. And after that happens, it is possible to think of negotiations. This will not follow negotiations but must precede it and it annot be part of it..<br /><br />Samuel actually retired before. He named Saul king AND SAUL KIND OF IGNORED IT FOR TWO YEARS.<br /><br />Haters of Jews are never the same people who hated Jews 20 or 30 years before.Evil people are drawn to Jew hatred and to attempting to destroy Jews like moths to a flame.<br /><br />Even Communist China may not escape. <br /><br />Word verification is tordthe. I typed it wrong?Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049235917532512240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-23040299369397523122010-02-24T22:27:41.308+02:002010-02-24T22:27:41.308+02:00RuthRuthSammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049235917532512240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-55040218861762082852010-02-24T22:27:11.259+02:002010-02-24T22:27:11.259+02:00It is the book of Esther taht is read on Purim, no...It is the book of Esther taht is read on Purim, not zruth!Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049235917532512240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-25521545952834844022010-02-24T22:26:40.959+02:002010-02-24T22:26:40.959+02:00>> Is it translated into various languages a...>> Is it translated into various languages abroad? I should hope so. <br /><br />????<br /><br />No Torah reading is now translated. How could you think it was? The Torah reading USED to be translated over a 1,000 years ago when most Jews spoke Aramaic. It was translated and also translated into Aramic in other countries where Jews did not speak it - they stopped it and did not replace it with translations into other languages.<br /><br />Parshas Zachar is a reading that must be heard bny both men and women at least once a year (because once a year is a criteria for remembering) but it has to be heard in Hebrew I beleive. the rules for ioit date from before people didn't understand Hebrew.Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049235917532512240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-89509046357453963122010-02-24T15:41:24.784+02:002010-02-24T15:41:24.784+02:00thanks, keli
westbankmama is doing a special post,...thanks, keli<br />westbankmama is doing a special post, and I wrote for that.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-32806208701481447262010-02-24T12:50:47.329+02:002010-02-24T12:50:47.329+02:00The public readings of the Purim story as told in ...The public readings of the Purim story as told in Megillat, the Scroll of Ruth which took place historically after King David, always has me amazed. It reinforces the fact that we're the direct descendants the continuation of that ancient people and the ancient story. Jewish People all over the world read it and celebrate our historic victory over Haman and all those who wanted us totally destroyed."<br /><br />I am oversimplifying but it still blows my mind that there are in the world people who resemble physically Ruth, David, Samuel etc.<br /><br />And with each generation, each persecution, each victory...there is the face of these names we read and hear about. It makes the Torah so alive! Perhaps why I have always regarded each Jewish person with a sense of awe.<br /><br />In any event, looking into the face of someone whose ancestors celebrated that first Pesach etc. It really does blow my mind.Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040911.post-43596374110765365352010-02-24T12:39:14.849+02:002010-02-24T12:39:14.849+02:00Chag Purim Sameach!
"In Maftir, the final T...Chag Purim Sameach!<br /><br /><br />"In Maftir, the final Torah reading on Shabbat, we hear of how the Jewish People were cruelly attacked by Amalek as they/we exited from Egypt."<br /><br />Yes indeed. It's not about land but destruction of a people. Amalek made it clear. Hitler made it clear. Iran is making it clear.<br /><br />BTW: You don't really need a pro-Israel post. Your love of Israel shines through all your posts:) And especially that picture of you that the AP ran!Keli Atahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05089132216830000713noreply@blogger.com